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PC upgrade: Where is the strain on a system when it comes to Eve, RAM, CPU or GPU?

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C0wgirl
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#1 - 2012-11-07 12:28:03 UTC
My PC is getting very old (AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ and ATI X1800 512MB GPU, Hiper 580W Type-R Black PSU). That's about 6 years old and it's time to finally upgrade, albeit a modest one. Given that Eve is one of the games I play most, it would be nice to know what is important when it comes to that.

I'm planing on new Mobo, CPU, Memory, SSD and GPU.

When I play Eve I usually run 2 clients at once, one on each monitor. (Occasionally just the one, but that's more down to the computer is straining under the load of 2!)
Usage-wise I also do some other gaming, CSS, SC2, Starcraft etc, nothing crazy, though I'd probably do a bit more if I upgrade just because I can. :) I also process my RAW photos in Lightroom, as well as programming in Visual Studio.

For running 2 Eve clients, if I went for 6 or 8 cores and a decent clock speed, would that be more suitable than say 4 cores but higher clock speed? I appreciate that Eve is Single threaded, so it can only use 1 core right? But if I ran 2 clients, can I assign them to separate cores?

One of the key things I wondered, in particular with regard to running 2 clients, where is the strain on a system when it comes to Eve, is it RAM, CPU or GPU which gets the most hammer?

Any advice/knowledge greatly appreciated, especially about my last sentence.

Cheers.

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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#2 - 2012-11-07 13:13:46 UTC
Guesswork mostly, but I believe it goes a little something like this:

1: CPU
2: RAM
3: GPU

Basically, a $100 card will run EVE quite spritely, so that goes last; RAM needs to be available and fast RAM is good RAM, and right now 32GB is cheeeap so stock up before the next tsunami hits Japan.

The big one is the CPU (I say this on the basis of you running SSD, and there are no other bottlenecks) but I believe as you do that EVE is still single threaded on your side.

Depends on what you want, but ATI/AMD combo's offer great value for money right now - but Intel/Nvidia rule the roost for GPU and CPU at the moment.

The comparison between your existing h/w and new h/w, no matter what you pick, is going to be close to mind-blowing - especially with SSD running.

Word of advice: get an SSD for your boot drive and run all games off a second SSD - mainline apps like lightroom or Adobe CS can run off the bootdrive, as they demand a lot of fast RAM. OR you could run 2xSSD in RAID-0 like 2x64GB for boot drive and then 1x128GB for games - this is what I did earlier in the year, utterly stellar performance all round.

Next update for me is haswell in March/April.

This space for rent.

Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-11-07 17:37:41 UTC
What kind of budge are we looking at?

You pretty much replacing all the guts. Might as well buy a new or refurbished comp.

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ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-11-07 18:52:49 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
This very same question was asked in here in August of this year, and funnily enough AlleyKat responded there too, as did Akita with his usual brilliant in-depth analysis.

Linky time!

As far as I can see, the information both Kat and Akita T supplied back then will be just as relevant now. Thanks go to AlleyKat and Akita T for their help then, and Kat for his/her help now Big smile It's nice to see people providing good solid info.


EDIT: It should be noted that, as far as I am aware, EVE does not support multiple cores or hyperthreading. If memory serves, this would mean that a higher clock speed per core would be substantially more beneficial than more cores with lower speeds. The most popular opinion would seem to indicate that order of priority when choosing new components should be GPU, RAM and CPU last. Hope that helps - ISD Type40.

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C0wgirl
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#5 - 2012-11-09 08:30:07 UTC
Thanks for your replies, I've had a good read of all the above and the link provided. I can see that for me, higher core speed is more important than having 6 or 8 cores!

When I started looking at this (and got wifey approval!) my Budget was only around £460 based on an initial quick look. That gave me a modest upgrade because as AlleyKat said, even a modest upgrade would still blow my mind, but then I started looking into things more..... Oops I don't want to make a half arsed upgrade, but I want good value for money, and creeping up to a lot more cost (like the i5) needs to be justifiable.

Caleidascope wrote:
What kind of budge are we looking at?

You pretty much replacing all the guts. Might as well buy a new or refurbished comp.

I'd like to think I have enough reusable components to still get better VFM by doing it myself than something comparable ready built.

I can't afford RAID-0 or any second SSD really.

But these look ok for starters right? These are the basics which I was quite hapy with.
Existing:
I have a big old Antec P180 Case which everything will fit in with ease. I'm hoping my Hiper 580W Type-R Black PSU will be powerful enough also. I have 2 x 1TB HDD's which I'll still use as data/media drives.

Then I was looking to buy new:
£60 Memory 16GB RAM (Upped from the initial 8GB I was going to get)
£70 SSD OCZ 120GB Agility 3 SSD - SATA-III - Read 525MB/s Write 500MB/s 85,000 IOPS
£120 GPU AMD 7850
£120 New second monitor Samsung S24b300hl LED LCD Widescreen 23.6" HDMI Monitor
£370 Sub total approx

The things that are constant in my budget above are simple and look to me like sound choices, but the mobo & CPU are where my costs are changing a lot.

My initial budget was based around something like the AMD FX4 3.6GHz (£73), which with a mobo (£50) bought my total in at ~£490

So I looked at the following:
FX-4 4100 Black 3.6GHz Phenom 965 3.4GHz i3 3240 3.4GHz i5 3570 3.4GHz
CPU £73.00 £88.00 £114.00 £164.00
Motherboard £50.00 £50.00 £80.00 £80.00
Total £123.00 £138.00 £194.00 £244.00
Grand Total £493.00 £508.00 £564.00 £614.00

From what I've read, the i5 is easily the best, but the extra cost is significant to me. Are any of the obove choices bad? Are there better options that I've missed? And which above provides the best VFM and suitablility?

Thanks.
CG

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