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stoicfaux
#21 - 2012-11-08 14:50:08 UTC
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:
Alice Saki wrote:
...Meh Legal or not... Won't Stop me ^_^


“One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws”
-MLK

Meh, sounds great in principle, but tends to break down when you try to pin people down a singular definition of "just".

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
stoicfaux
#22 - 2012-11-08 14:56:26 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:

Its not supposed to but that's how much it all has turned around since the creation of the declaration. Each state was built to govern itself and the federal government was supposed to maintain the rest on a general basis. So like this weed law or Arizona's immigrant law shouldn't be superseded by the FG.

We tried that with the Articles of Confederation. It was quickly replaced with a Constitution granting strong Federal power.

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Anyways, little fact that a lot of people seem to forget is that we had a civil war that was based on states right versus federal government. You can say it was because of slavery but in truth that was a state right (not necessarily a good one so don't jump me about it). 2 sides disagreed, south wanted to secede (war actually started in the midwest), and the rest is in the books.

No. Google "us civil war declarations of secession". It was about slavery. State's rights is just an attempt to whitewash the politics and social values behind the civil war.

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Elvis Fett
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-11-08 15:23:29 UTC
Not just Colorado but Washington State has legalized recreational cannabis use. Many cities across the country have legalized pot this election on a city-wide basis, including 3 in Michigan (Detroit, MI being the biggest of the cities) Massachusetts and Connecticut legalized medical cannabis, bringing the total number of medical states up to 18 or 19. So it may be true that it is scheduled 1 drug on the federal level (no medicinal value), but how long is the fed gov't really going to stand against half the union? The anti-MMJ stance is quickly becoming a very unpopular one, even by non-smokers. Each year we spend over 7billion dollars fighting marihuana and incarcerating users. It is very hard to justify spending that kind of money each year as our country goes broke. Especially not on marihuana, a drug that most of the population has at least tried and knows it not the scary life destroying drug refer madness would have you believe.
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#24 - 2012-11-08 16:18:15 UTC
Well, I find the best way to support colorado in this would be to create weed tourism. Boom their economy and show the consituents the benefits of weed.

1 week in Colorado would suffice for me!

It is near the middle of the country, so cheap tickets for travel!
Iosue
League of Gentlemen
The Initiative.
#25 - 2012-11-08 16:26:05 UTC
still a big win for pro pot in those states. even if the feds continue to oppose, the vast majority of users will be free from criminal prosecution. the feds will reserve their time and effort on big busts of large operators. but john doe will no longer have to worry about city, county or state police barging in and confiscating or arresting them for casual use. about damn time. hope there's more where this came from. too much time and money is wasted on preventing something that many want.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-11-08 17:45:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Micheal Dietrich wrote:

Its not supposed to but that's how much it all has turned around since the creation of the declaration.

Each state was built to govern itself and the federal government was supposed to maintain the rest on a general basis. So like this weed law or Arizona's immigrant law shouldn't be superseded by the FG.

And holy crap are there some hotties walking on stage right now.....

Anyways, little fact that a lot of people seem to forget is that we had a civil war that was based on states right versus federal government. You can say it was because of slavery but in truth that was a state right (not necessarily a good one so don't jump me about it). 2 sides disagreed, south wanted to secede (war actually started in the midwest), and the rest is in the books.


It's unfortunately not that simple.

State law superceids federal law when it allows for more freedoms to the individual within the state than the federal law does. I personally think that any state law that allows you to posses something that a federal law doesn't allow you to would be allowing the individual more freedom.

However, sinse federal law forbids the possesion -not sure about use- of marijuana it overrides any state laws. The federal government listing it as a schedule 1 drug isn't helping. Anyone that thinks that pot is the same as heroin (sounds like hair oh win) is a ******* moron.

The DEA can't police every state though, it's why California is the one that gets harrassed by the DEA. Most other states that have legalized for medicinal use don't really get bothered by the DEA. Colorado and Washington are probably not going to have to much trouble.

The nice thing is that there are officals in those states standing up and openly saying that it would be a mistake for the federal government to get in the way. "The will of the people" should always trump federal law, and that's pretty much what these two states are trying to convey to our incompetent and moronic federal government.

The federal government does not govern the will of the people, the will of the people governs the federal government. Our government seems to have forgetten this tid-bit recently.
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-11-08 17:50:41 UTC
gives a whole new meaning to the "Denver Nuggets"
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#28 - 2012-11-08 19:58:53 UTC
What people are forgetting is you don't often see federal agents out on patrol, looking for a guy smoking a joint. As long as the local police are looking the other way you should be fine, providing you don't do something stupid to get the attention of the federales, like blab about having pounds of weed online.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-11-08 21:22:05 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
What people are forgetting is you don't often see federal agents out on patrol, looking for a guy smoking a joint. As long as the local police are looking the other way you should be fine, providing you don't do something stupid to get the attention of the federales, like blab about having pounds of weed online.


yeah for the small time recreational/medicinal user there's not much to worry about i would think
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-11-09 13:55:07 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
What people are forgetting is you don't often see federal agents out on patrol, looking for a guy smoking a joint. As long as the local police are looking the other way you should be fine, providing you don't do something stupid to get the attention of the federales, like blab about having pounds of weed online.

The problem is that they've been using local law enforcement in places like CA, but that tended to have more to do with the local government working with the DEA.

The politician that supported the bill is replaced by a guy that doesn't support it and the next thing you know he's allowing the local police to work with the DEA to arrest the guys selling the pot; which makes things a pain in the ass for the guy smoking it. Or they do something silly like make it illegal to open a dispencory within 200 feet of any residential areas, which makes it almost impossible to open shop when every commercial lot tends to sit right next to a residential one; another favorite pasttime of some conservative politicians in CA.
Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-11-09 17:29:56 UTC
Kehro Urgus wrote:
Murder! Insanity! Death!

Reefer madness!
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