EVE General Discussion

and a other threat about this.... wait let me grap some popcorn let the show begin.

All the miners are doing is validating the New Order griefers. It gives them MORE of a reason to bump people because they now have an opponent. The best way to defeat the New Order is to ignore them. If they are ignored they will get bored in a couple of months and quit bumping.

Griefing is quite rightly a bannable offence. The reason the Code prohibits you from petitioning us is because what we're doing is not griefing. If you happen across a griefer you should petition them, just like new order agents have done on at least two occasions.

The OP linked to a blog which has only a few posts, on the blog is found the quote: "We will rise, we will eliminate this threat…and we will promptly return to afk-mining!

For our Freedom

For our Rights"


therefore, the OP can reasonably be said to have claimed that AFK-mining is a right.

AFK mining is a viable form of game play. Sometimes you just have to DEAL WITH IT.

That just AOK I guess.

I don't do or believe that in pratice though. But after all.... it is a SANDBOX.

Try going with that for your argument.

It is indeed quite the foundation-stone of EVE after all. It's like Democracy...one had to sometimes accept viewpoints that are unpleasant to ones' self.

not empty quoting

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Did I say it should be banned? Please quote it, since I don't remember it at all.

I personally think that bumping shouldn't be banned, but have an effective counter. I indeed said miners should be entitled (yes i said it) to mine, I did not say they should be entitled to full immunity. Look at the blog Pipa. We tell miners, in all of our anti-bump tips, that there is no such thing as 100% safety, only tit for tat.

If CCP introduced some kind of anchoring module for the miners that lowered say, their tank, yield, and/or made them a bit more vulnerable to gank, this wouldn't be an issue. They could stop from being bumped, but then other consequences arise.

They are entitled to play their way, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have a counter to something like bumping. As long as there is a balance, I'm fine.

Right now, there isn't one.

People feel they're being harassed, so I say it. It isn't something I posted in GD or saying that it's bannable etc. It's an echo of people's sentiment, so I'm going to say it.

In the real world, if you were trying to garden or build a model or something in a public space, and someone kept pushing and shoving you from that model or garden or whatever, a lot of people would say they're being harassed.

That blog is from the perspective of a casual gamer, not CCP EULA standards.

EDIT: But you are 100% correct saying that CCP does not consider it harassment. So, I don't say it is here. And I don't say it should be banned. I'd like to see a balanced module to counter it. Anti bump? Sure, but you lower your armor or yield etc. That to me, would be a much fairer response than just banning it. It counters in a sense, the EHP buff while giving miners some sense of security, while giving PvP'ers an edge to their ganking should they so choose.