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Ritsum
Perkone
Caldari State
#41 - 2012-11-06 12:38:28 UTC
hmmmm....

The null sec's can already makes tons of ISK in their home systems with little to worry about... They can fight all they want without concord intruding... They literally own systems in space...

Now they want to have production capabilities of already established NPC factions.... That's fair.... So in the end you want to have all the benefits of living outside the law while having none of the 'drawbacks' that would come with being so far away from civilization...


High sec has lower ISK generation, no safety as most would assume and all the morons space has to offer. Now the benefits we have is a Great industry thanks to the already established super NPC factions and a great market.

There is also the drawback of obeying the rules of the NPC factions while trying to protect ourselves form the lawless that invade high sec often.

Now I don't mind the stupid losing their ISK because they think nothing can touch them but when you have so many benefits that Null sec has, you should really learn to accept the drawbacks you bring upon yourselves. Or you can just cry like High sec players that lose their isk, which I am seeing a lot of lately.

Play EvE how you want to play it and do not let others dictate how you play. Evolve your playstyle to protect yourself from others! Even in "PVE", "PVP" is there, lurking in the shadows.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-11-06 12:42:33 UTC
Im in Stain at the moment and i dont think that a single build slot in the entire region is being used
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
#43 - 2012-11-06 12:45:43 UTC
Ritsum wrote:
hmmmm....

The null sec's can already makes tons of ISK in their home systems with little to worry about... They can fight all they want without concord intruding... They literally own systems in space...

Now they want to have production capabilities of already established NPC factions.... That's fair.... So in the end you want to have all the benefits of living outside the law while having none of the 'drawbacks' that would come with being so far away from civilization...


High sec has lower ISK generation, no safety as most would assume and all the morons space has to offer. Now the benefits we have is a Great industry thanks to the already established super NPC factions and a great market.

There is also the drawback of obeying the rules of the NPC factions while trying to protect ourselves form the lawless that invade high sec often.

Now I don't mind the stupid losing their ISK because they think nothing can touch them but when you have so many benefits that Null sec has, you should really learn to accept the drawbacks you bring upon yourselves. Or you can just cry like High sec players that lose their isk, which I am seeing a lot of lately.


Null sec should really have the possibility of improving their outposts or w/e to get more slots. You can argue that they are so far away from civilisation that they shouldn't have this, but they have established their own civilisation and yet game mechanics are limiting them to supply the tools required to increase their production capabilities to an acceptable level.

It seems as though you are portraying high sec as being more dangerous than null due to concord mechanics. That is quite silly and not accurate imo, also you neglect to mention that null sec is safe either due to the work and effort put forth by the alliances holding territory or through diplomacy. Hi sec safety is handed to players on the silver spoon.
Ritsum
Perkone
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-11-06 12:55:21 UTC
High sec is not safe... It is very dangerous... In null with your corps and alliances you change your relations with each other so you know at a quick glance that there are friendly's/enemy's or nuets in local... With high sec every player can be a potential enemy and you can do nothing but tank out your ships as much as you can and pray that they are not.

Industry in Null while lacking slots and the higher rates of High sec allow you to pick who gets what slot... In high sec it is a FFA on the NPC stations and the high sec pos's would be in the same situation as Null sec Pos's, except for the fact that they can transport the material needed with less troubles mostly.

Play EvE how you want to play it and do not let others dictate how you play. Evolve your playstyle to protect yourself from others! Even in "PVE", "PVP" is there, lurking in the shadows.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#45 - 2012-11-06 13:25:06 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
Disclaimer I normally live in lowsec as its the best sec.



I went off into nullsec to visit some old friends today and before i went i picked up some stuff from highsec for them.


I went through a highsec connection straight into nullsec and found a dozen bubbles on the gate and then nothing but empty systems.

So i went back into highsec and checked lots of highsec to nullsec connections and found them all bubbled. Once of them even called me a noob for fitting an interdiction Nullifier.


I thought i should convey this information to Nullsec players immediately. You are constantly calling for people to leave highsec and go to nullsec but some of your number are killing anyone who tries to leave highsec.

Can you tell the king of nullsec whoever they are that some of your number do not want people from highsec to leave highsec as they have set death traps at every exit.


(I know they can leave by lowsec but there are gatecamps there as well and even bubbles from low/null


Im sure that now that everyone knows this nullsec will open the way for highsec people to at least see nullsec for more than 10 seconds before they return to the safety of their medical bays.


My thanks and im sure that you are grateful i got this information out to you.


This must be a troll, because no one can be this dumb for real lol. This post is, however,a great example of the carebear mentality and shows how disconnected from reality and good sense it is. There are some very obvious problems with the way "theY" think, and it's obvious to everyone but them.

Then they wonder why everyone else is on their case...

It's just silly, the whole reason anyone (starting with CCP) would want more people in null sec is more competition/pvp/ships exploding which is good for the economy.

Yet people will use the fact that people already living there are actually , you know, playing the game and trying to control trade/communications routes as some sort of evidence of some kind of double standard (ie "null sec players say they want more people in null sec then deny people access too null sec!).

I've said it before, if a video game player doesn't have enough sack to push through the minor difficulties presented in this video game, that's their fault and their problem, no one elses.


And for the record, most people I know in null sec don't give 2 damns about what high sec people do, including most Goons I know. Another stupid thing highsec people think is that null sec people grief them in empire because of a lack of null sec targets. This is the highsec person not realizing that other players aren't like them (the high sec player "wants to be left alone to play the way he wants and thus thinks everyone is like that).

People like goons don't attack high sec people because there are no targets in null (plenty of fighting going on in null), they attack high sec people because they are weak and clueless and cry a lot on these very forums , a response which was the WHOLE point (well, that and space money) of the attack to begin with. And on cue, high sec people oblige goons with tears.

Stop being weak and feeble in a video game, stop crying on the forums for mommy(ccp) yto fix it, and watch goons and co leave EVE en mass for greener tear pastures.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#46 - 2012-11-06 13:35:06 UTC

Quote:
This must be a troll, because no one can be this dumb for real lol. This post is, however,a great example of the carebear mentality and shows how disconnected from reality and good sense it is. There are some very obvious problems with the way "theY" think, and it's obvious to everyone but them.

Then they wonder why everyone else is on their case...

It's just silly, the whole reason anyone (starting with CCP) would want more people in null sec is more competition/pvp/ships exploding which is good for the economy.

Yet people will use the fact that people already living there are actually , you know, playing the game and trying to control trade/communications routes as some sort of evidence of some kind of double standard (ie "null sec players say they want more people in null sec then deny people access too null sec!).

I've said it before, if a video game player doesn't have enough sack to push through the minor difficulties presented in this video game, that's their fault and their problem, no one elses.



And for the record, most people I know in null sec don't give 2 damns about what high sec people do, including most Goons I know. Another stupid thing highsec people think is that null sec people grief them in empire because of a lack of null sec targets. This is the highsec person not realizing that other players aren't like them (the high sec player "wants to be left alone to play the way he wants and thus thinks everyone is like that).

People like goons don't attack high sec people because there are no targets in null (plenty of fighting going on in null), they attack high sec people because they are weak and clueless and cry a lot on these very forums , a response which was the WHOLE point (well, that and space money) of the attack to begin with. And on cue, high sec people oblige goons with tears.

Stop being weak and feeble in a video game, stop crying on the forums for mommy(ccp) yto fix it, and watch goons and co leave EVE en mass for greener tear pastures.





Loving all of this.

But please tell me. how am i supposed to run 10/10 plexes in nullsec unless im allowed through the door.
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-11-06 14:03:25 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
-snip- Once of them even called me a noob for fitting an interdiction Nullifier. - snip -

I was called a noob for stealthing properly. Since when is it a bad thing to fly smart?

It is also contradictory, maybe even hypocritical. They complain and degrade you if you don't make yourself available for "real" combat with nothing in your loadout that beats their gang/blob advantages, and yet they are set up to shoot fish in a barrel.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#48 - 2012-11-06 14:18:51 UTC
Quote:
Loving all of this. But please tell me. how am i supposed to run 10/10 plexes in nullsec unless im allowed through the door.


You are not supposed to do 10/10 plexes in null. The Alliance owning that system is supposed to run that content, that is why they have claimed that system in the first place. Is this seriously such a hard concept to grasp? There are two ways through that door: either you become part of the Alliance claiming the space, or you kick the **** out of them with your own organised group.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#49 - 2012-11-06 14:21:28 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
Quote:
Loving all of this. But please tell me. how am i supposed to run 10/10 plexes in nullsec unless im allowed through the door.


You are not supposed to do 10/10 plexes in null. The Alliance owning that system is supposed to run that content, that is why they have claimed that system in the first place. Is this seriously such a hard concept to grasp? There are two ways through that door: either you become part of the Alliance claiming the space, or you kick the **** out of them with your own organised group.




This just gets better and better


Perhaps you should look at the other misguided person i was quoting before you quote yourself.


I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#50 - 2012-11-06 14:38:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Karn Dulake wrote:

Quote:
This must be a troll, because no one can be this dumb for real lol. This post is, however,a great example of the carebear mentality and shows how disconnected from reality and good sense it is. There are some very obvious problems with the way "theY" think, and it's obvious to everyone but them.

Then they wonder why everyone else is on their case...

It's just silly, the whole reason anyone (starting with CCP) would want more people in null sec is more competition/pvp/ships exploding which is good for the economy.

Yet people will use the fact that people already living there are actually , you know, playing the game and trying to control trade/communications routes as some sort of evidence of some kind of double standard (ie "null sec players say they want more people in null sec then deny people access too null sec!).

I've said it before, if a video game player doesn't have enough sack to push through the minor difficulties presented in this video game, that's their fault and their problem, no one elses.



And for the record, most people I know in null sec don't give 2 damns about what high sec people do, including most Goons I know. Another stupid thing highsec people think is that null sec people grief them in empire because of a lack of null sec targets. This is the highsec person not realizing that other players aren't like them (the high sec player "wants to be left alone to play the way he wants and thus thinks everyone is like that).

People like goons don't attack high sec people because there are no targets in null (plenty of fighting going on in null), they attack high sec people because they are weak and clueless and cry a lot on these very forums , a response which was the WHOLE point (well, that and space money) of the attack to begin with. And on cue, high sec people oblige goons with tears.

Stop being weak and feeble in a video game, stop crying on the forums for mommy(ccp) yto fix it, and watch goons and co leave EVE en mass for greener tear pastures.





Loving all of this.

But please tell me. how am i supposed to run 10/10 plexes in nullsec unless im allowed through the door.


Like we did, get some friends and KICK the door down. If I waited for people to "allow" me to do something in EVE, I'd have never left my starter system and would still be flying noob ship.

Again that describes on of the "flaws" in your thinking and of people like you. "Real" players take what they want and do as they please (and make it real hard on you if you interfere). "fake players pretend they are playing but run to the forums at the 1st hint of unpleasantness. Why these people are playing EVE (a game world renowned as a cold, harsh dark pit of asshatery) in the 1st place?

If you want to do 10/10s, TAKE them. That act would demonstrate you have more (space) balls than 98% of high sec dwellers....
Jeremy Soikutsu
Kite Co. Space Trucking
#51 - 2012-11-06 15:09:14 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:

But please tell me. how am i supposed to run 10/10 plexes in nullsec unless im allowed through the door.

Who ever suggested we wanted you to do our 10/10s?

"Of course you would choose the fun, but you don't lead a relevant entity which has allies." - Colonel Xaven
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#52 - 2012-11-06 15:46:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Karrl Tian
Karn Dulake wrote:



Loving all of this.

But please tell me. how am i supposed to run 10/10 plexes in nullsec unless im allowed through the door.


You sneak in the back (unguarded entrances) or climb in through a window (wormholes). Fit a cloak to avoid being probed, bring enough ammo for for days of ratting (ammo doesn't take that much space up) go somewhere so remote even the sov owners don't want to be there and lol at the people who had to grind all those structures so you could make money without having to join their alliance.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#53 - 2012-11-06 15:49:15 UTC
Karrl Tian wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:



Loving all of this.

But please tell me. how am i supposed to run 10/10 plexes in nullsec unless im allowed through the door.


You sneak in the back (unguarded entrances) or climb in through a window (wormholes). Fit a cloak to avoid being probed, bring enough ammo for for days of ratting (ammo doesn't take that much space up) go somewhere so remote even the sov owners don't want to be there and lol at the people who had to grind all those structures so you could make money without having to join their alliance.


Bah, "effort"..
killorbekilled TBE
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2012-11-06 15:50:57 UTC
your first time outta the empire nest little one?

:)
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#55 - 2012-11-06 15:52:00 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
I love these responses.


I make my isk in russian space.

Why?

Because one mistake and you are being hotdropped by Super caps.



If you can train in Russian space then all other space is highsec


This actually made me laugh. xXShadow of DEATHXx one time dropped a Titan on me when I was exploring their backyard in a Gallente Shuttle. This was back when it was still yellow.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-11-06 16:26:40 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Nullsec is incapable of developing a secondary manufacturing economy due to both lack of capacity and incentive for nullsec industry, which also prevents a tertiary retail economy from developing. This means that 0.0 is locked in a primary resource extraction economy, and trespassing on someone's resource extraction point in 0.0 is tantamount to sneaking into someone's gold mine in a third world nation and expecting the locals to welcome your 'contribution to the gold economy' instead of stringing you up on the gate by your own intestines as a warning to others. Whereas participating in a developed economy is no more hostile then getting a passport and visiting a local shopping mall.


I find your belief in rational markets to be hilarious.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#57 - 2012-11-06 16:36:41 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
you seem to mistake the "come to nullsec" as an invitation to get rich and have fun...

all they want to do is shoot you.

Null-sec is a meta-game, where a few leaders and their friends get fabulously wealthy, on the backs of their pilots.....Cool

I get wealthy on the back of the Guristas Pilots !


Blood Raiders hate my guts......
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#58 - 2012-11-06 22:54:48 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:
I love these responses.


I make my isk in russian space.

Why?

Because one mistake and you are being hotdropped by Super caps.



If you can train in Russian space then all other space is highsec

This actually made me laugh. xXShadow of DEATHXx one time dropped a Titan on me when I was exploring their backyard in a Gallente Shuttle. This was back when it was still yellow.

This beats PL dropping a titan blob on a rifter roam.

Then again, one titan one one shuttle. Hmm...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#59 - 2012-11-06 22:57:25 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
Im in Stain at the moment and i dont think that a single build slot in the entire region is being used


It's stain.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#60 - 2012-11-06 22:58:31 UTC
Karrl Tian wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:



Loving all of this.

But please tell me. how am i supposed to run 10/10 plexes in nullsec unless im allowed through the door.


You sneak in the back (unguarded entrances) or climb in through a window (wormholes). Fit a cloak to avoid being probed, bring enough ammo for for days of ratting (ammo doesn't take that much space up) go somewhere so remote even the sov owners don't want to be there and lol at the people who had to grind all those structures so you could make money without having to join their alliance.


Honestly ninja ratting is way too much effort for too little reward.