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Post December Nerf Mission Boat

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xallexax
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2012-11-11 15:24:39 UTC
Brent Newton wrote:
Lyrrashae wrote:
Get a Varg or a Machi, and shield/cap xfer to them. Even at the Tengu's height, they still killed **** faster, you just have to pay more attention whilst doing so. The Tengu is, and probably still will be just easier, but that's really all.

Done!

E:

You haven't any business in a carrier until you learn everything there is to know about PvEíng in one. Like, first. You will be a very nice killmail for every ganker in 3 constellations in short order, otherwise.



How do you learn without owning one?


test server to learn the ship then always aligned and ready to pull off ?
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#22 - 2012-11-12 03:52:25 UTC
xallexax wrote:
Brent Newton wrote:
Lyrrashae wrote:
Get a Varg or a Machi, and shield/cap xfer to them. Even at the Tengu's height, they still killed **** faster, you just have to pay more attention whilst doing so. The Tengu is, and probably still will be just easier, but that's really all.

Done!

E:

You haven't any business in a carrier until you learn everything there is to know about PvEíng in one. Like, first. You will be a very nice killmail for every ganker in 3 constellations in short order, otherwise.



How do you learn without owning one?


test server to learn the ship then always aligned and ready to pull off ?



^^That,^^ just to start.

Also, research, talk to people you know you can trust who have one (assuming you know any that do), watch videos on YT and elsewhere...the usual. There is at least "some" information out there, go dig it up like a good EVE player should.

That, and roll/build a few cyno-alts --If it were mine, then I'd use at least two different ones, one to get you to the mission-system, another one stashed off in a dead-quiet system to act as a "Oh ****, time to GTFO NAOW" option.

(Just by the bye: Fit a cloak, Heavy neuts, and a couple smartbombs in the highs, and always be aligned to something that isn't immediately obvious.)

Ni.

Brent Newton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-11-12 17:24:31 UTC
Yeah I think I've decided to get a thanatos at some point in the near future. Just need to make some isk first. CCP has not made that easy in the way of missions. The LP store is a disaster. I know they are fixing it so no need to mention that. 1.5b seems pretty cheap for a ship that is so much more powerful than any under it. Hell I spend at least that for a tengu fitted even half way well.

I will learn to use it before buying one ofc. I have several "friends" with a few. I still have a 60 day train just to be able to fly one not to mention the capital weapons and mods I don't have skill for yet. We'll see, but this tengu is probably not going to cut it for much longer.

The tengu is the simplest ship to use in lowsec missions, but last night I ran a faction mission with a carrier in it and I swear I spent nearly an hour and 10k heavy T2 missiles killing it. That was ridiculous.

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Herr Ronin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-11-13 17:48:57 UTC
Brent Newton wrote:
So I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for what ship I might try to mission in after the nerf bat beats my tengu to hell. It may turn out that the Tengu is still the best choice. I currently mission in a 2 man fleet tengu/basilisk. Maybe I should just double up on tengus and remote rep each other. I've considered going for a carrier next year, but I have no idea the logistics of flying such a large ship.

Anyway any suggestions would be appreciated. Oh I'm running L5 missions.


In theory the Tengu is getting a buff, the range on HAMS is getting increased, meaning you can apply that DPS quicker, when the patch comes, all you need to do is simply refit.

Unless my info is wrong and the Tengu is getting utterly nerfed.

I'll Race You For A Amburhgear

Brent Newton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-11-13 21:18:50 UTC
Herr Ronin wrote:
Brent Newton wrote:
So I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for what ship I might try to mission in after the nerf bat beats my tengu to hell. It may turn out that the Tengu is still the best choice. I currently mission in a 2 man fleet tengu/basilisk. Maybe I should just double up on tengus and remote rep each other. I've considered going for a carrier next year, but I have no idea the logistics of flying such a large ship.

Anyway any suggestions would be appreciated. Oh I'm running L5 missions.


In theory the Tengu is getting a buff, the range on HAMS is getting increased, meaning you can apply that DPS quicker, when the patch comes, all you need to do is simply refit.

Unless my info is wrong and the Tengu is getting utterly nerfed.


EFT puts assault missiles a ways below heavies and doesn't even take into account range. Range isn't an issue. Damage is what matters, but I have pretty much made up my mind to move into a carrier. It will be a while before I have skill enough for one, but I swear I spent over an hour shooting at one carrier in a mission the other day and that is ridiculous.

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-11-14 00:53:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Brent Newton wrote:
Herr Ronin wrote:
Brent Newton wrote:
So I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for what ship I might try to mission in after the nerf bat beats my tengu to hell. It may turn out that the Tengu is still the best choice. I currently mission in a 2 man fleet tengu/basilisk. Maybe I should just double up on tengus and remote rep each other. I've considered going for a carrier next year, but I have no idea the logistics of flying such a large ship.

Anyway any suggestions would be appreciated. Oh I'm running L5 missions.


In theory the Tengu is getting a buff, the range on HAMS is getting increased, meaning you can apply that DPS quicker, when the patch comes, all you need to do is simply refit.

Unless my info is wrong and the Tengu is getting utterly nerfed.


EFT puts assault missiles a ways below heavies and doesn't even take into account range. Range isn't an issue. Damage is what matters, but I have pretty much made up my mind to move into a carrier. It will be a while before I have skill enough for one, but I swear I spent over an hour shooting at one carrier in a mission the other day and that is ridiculous.

Is your EFT taking into account the explosion radius reductions your HAM's will be getting post patch?

To be specific is your EFT applying your GMP skill and (if present) rigor rig bonuses to the HAM's? They should be getting better damage application within range with the changes coming.
serras bang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-11-14 01:07:11 UTC
Brent Newton wrote:
So I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for what ship I might try to mission in after the nerf bat beats my tengu to hell. It may turn out that the Tengu is still the best choice. I currently mission in a 2 man fleet tengu/basilisk. Maybe I should just double up on tengus and remote rep each other. I've considered going for a carrier next year, but I have no idea the logistics of flying such a large ship.

Anyway any suggestions would be appreciated. Oh I'm running L5 missions.


tengu dosent take to heavy a nerf yeah may only do 65 - 70 on fury hml but its dps is neglagable at 40 dps from a 760 hml build but it gains a fair bit of tank due to t2 loseing there penalties and as far as i can tell itll just take a few extra voleys to kill the ships ( bs and a lot of criusers you wont notice the difference) in a nutshell you waste less of the overkill dps.
Brent Newton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-11-14 08:09:16 UTC
Well we'll see.

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Atmospheric Pressure
Perkone
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-11-14 15:36:00 UTC
I think it's hilarious how people actually suggest to go "test" a carrier on the test server, rofl.

It's no different than any other ship, you can even get it to align faster with a MWD than some battleships. Honestly it's probably cheaper to lose a carrier (with insurance) than it is to lose a mach/vargur.

You'll die if you're dumb, regardless of what ship you're in, and if you're not dumb, chances are you've already taken the appropriate precautions to not die.

As far as missioning goes, just stop missioning and leave it to the plebs. Tengu was also never the best for anything but blitzing level 4's in hostile space.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#30 - 2012-11-14 17:22:17 UTC
I mission run dual boxing Mach and Tengu (usually with FoF missiles, Yea I said FoFs CCP, auto-targeting missiles my patootie). Even with the "nerf" I'm not changing a thing, that tengu will still be better/easier for killing of frigs threatening my mach than drones would be, especially after December 4.
Brent Newton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-11-14 20:40:43 UTC
Atmospheric Pressure wrote:
I think it's hilarious how people actually suggest to go "test" a carrier on the test server, rofl.

It's no different than any other ship, you can even get it to align faster with a MWD than some battleships. Honestly it's probably cheaper to lose a carrier (with insurance) than it is to lose a mach/vargur.

You'll die if you're dumb, regardless of what ship you're in, and if you're not dumb, chances are you've already taken the appropriate precautions to not die.

As far as missioning goes, just stop missioning and leave it to the plebs. Tengu was also never the best for anything but blitzing level 4's in hostile space.



Well you certainly make me feel better about at least attempting it in tranquility. Honestly I'm not concerned with 1.5b or the other billion on fits. Glad to hear it isn't so different than any other ship. I'm in CAS and though I love the corp, at time ppl are a bit too cautious.

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Brent Newton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-11-14 20:43:58 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
I mission run dual boxing Mach and Tengu (usually with FoF missiles, Yea I said FoFs CCP, auto-targeting missiles my patootie). Even with the "nerf" I'm not changing a thing, that tengu will still be better/easier for killing of frigs threatening my mach than drones would be, especially after December 4.



I'm training my alt up to Tengu now. I may not use the Tengu as my go to ship for all things anymore, but even after the nerf it will still be an invaluable ship. Drones are really getting a much harder nerf. That new AI sounds really interesting.

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mama guru
Yazatas.
#33 - 2012-11-15 12:09:03 UTC
Brent Newton wrote:
Lyrrashae wrote:
Get a Varg or a Machi, and shield/cap xfer to them. Even at the Tengu's height, they still killed **** faster, you just have to pay more attention whilst doing so. The Tengu is, and probably still will be just easier, but that's really all.

Done!

E:

You haven't any business in a carrier until you learn everything there is to know about PvEíng in one. Like, first. You will be a very nice killmail for every ganker in 3 constellations in short order, otherwise.



How do you learn without owning one?



Common sense is not exclusive to capital ships.

If you have ever lost a ratting ship to a ganker on site, you should not be using a carrier for PVE period.

EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak.

Signal11th
#34 - 2012-11-15 13:04:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
mama guru wrote:
Brent Newton wrote:
Lyrrashae wrote:
Get a Varg or a Machi, and shield/cap xfer to them. Even at the Tengu's height, they still killed **** faster, you just have to pay more attention whilst doing so. The Tengu is, and probably still will be just easier, but that's really all.

Done!

E:

You haven't any business in a carrier until you learn everything there is to know about PvEíng in one. Like, first. You will be a very nice killmail for every ganker in 3 constellations in short order, otherwise.



How do you learn without owning one?



Common sense is not exclusive to capital ships.

If you have ever lost a ratting ship to a ganker on site, you should not be using a carrier for PVE period.



In regards to using a capital in lvl 5's all you really need is common sense no matter what anybody else says. My alt has been using one for years. In missions you really have two options for fit either tank+fighters or sentry drone fit for speed.

Either has postives and negatives, Sentry Fit positive is speed but negative and its a big one you can't keep alignment and you lose a fair bit of tank.
Now if you are active and keep a close eye on D-Scan it isn't usually a problem as long as you clear any webs promptly when you are doing the missions. as soon as you see any combat,deep space probes on d-scan you recall and align out.

Fighters are a little bit slower but you can keep alignment and fit more tank. If I'm in a quiet system or a certain timezone I will use a sentry fit thanny otherwise its the fighter fit.

Cost isn't really an issue as like me you have said the Tengu's I use are usually worth twice the value of the carriers.
If you keep an eye on local and d-scan like all the time you will be fine.

People who lose carriers are the people who don't constantly expect aggro and this is why they lose them.

If you are looking into carriers you really want to train a second carrier alt that can try to help you out if the **** hits the fan( neut fits,spider tanking etc) but really if you are not stupid you will not get caught.

If you are solo you can use a carrier, if you are in a group use a tengu.

If you are using a carrier as well you won't be able to accept gated missions which seem to be more prevelant in the last 6 months.
If you are lucky you can get a nice stream of ungated missions which you can blitz but thats as rare as chickens teeth lately.

As for the "drone" nerf" just fit a remote shield/armor repper and off you go, little extra bit of work but if the ships are targeting some of the drones it means less incoming dps on the ship.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!

Brent Newton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-11-15 14:16:16 UTC
Thanks for the advice. Very helpful. I have quite a few months to go before I have adequate skill for a carrier. I don't fly ships I lack skills in.

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