EVE General Discussion

Did they lower the time needed to learn other skills as a whole?

Yes, it's been a few years since ive played :P

So then, one must ask. Why did they remove the learning skills? And how long ago?

iirc is was in 2010 or so? They removed it because it was essentially a "you shall not play!" bullcrap nonsense. They removed the learning skills, gave ppl the invested SP back to use it somewhere else and they increased base attributes as if you had trained learning skills to 5/5 (and 5/4 for Charisma).

Result; no more "have to wait 2 months before I'm allowed to train fun stuff", you still train as fast (and right from the start as well). This has nothing to do with dumbing down the game but rather with removing silly nonsense.

Ahh, excellent!

ty guys.

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=824

"THEREFORE, let it be understood that we have now the following plan:
•As of downtime today, all NPC sell orders for the eleven skills in the Learning group (hereafter referred to as "learning skills") have been CANCELLED. They're really not much use in the long run, we don't want to complicate later steps with unusual inflows of skillbooks, and it might go some way towards limiting the amount of scams that we know you're going to be running. Please, think of the children newbies." etc..................

To dumb down the game.
To nerf the advantage (i.e. screw over) loyal, long term eve veterans who helped make Eve successful.
To "reward" stupid, lazy, people who can't plan ahead.
To make the game more generic.
To screw vets by not refunding the cost of the learning skill books.
To setup the slippery slope for the removal of fitting skills.
To show complete and utter disdain for the pain and suffering for those who invested the time to grind the learning skills to V.
To increase subs by making Eve more appealing to dumb people, when Eve isn't a game for dumb people.
To breathe a breath of fresh air into the "Eve is dying!" meme.
Because rewarding forum whiners is CCP's new path to prosperity.
Because "generic" base attributes reduce the differences between the races/bloodlines thus negatively impacting Eve Lore.
Because "generic" base attributes are too PC, too much like affirmative action, too much like every child being on the honor role regardless of merit, [insert your favorite sociological/political justification or rationale for claiming that Group A is superior to Group B here and treating every as equal makes you a traitor/liberal/hippie/tree-hugger/etc. here]...

Ok, maybe the last one didn't happen (at least not overtly,) the others (and more!) can be found in the various Rage Against the Removal of the Learning Skills threads. Here's one to get you started: http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1420510&page=1

edit: Forgot my favorite (and most valid) reason: Giving an advantage to someone else is the same as giving me a disadvantage, i.e. the zero sum mentality.

My favourite (and most valid) reason was that it was a pointless meta-mechanic that — as meta-mechanics do — brought absolutely nothing to the actual game.

But even that is partly ridiculous because you have to gimmick and re-adjust the system in order to accelerate the skill training time to an acceptable level...

Personally, I've never been for this skill training system ever since I started playing EvE. I've just dealt with it due to the fact that it was part of the game, and I wanted to fly nicer ships. If a better system could be instituted (one where it would work both on and off-line) as far as gaining SP was concerned, I'd be for it. It would make sitting behind a mining laser less defeatist and somewhat reassuring towards character progression. But then again, I get how 'old school' EvE pilots would rage (alibet, unnecessary) to such a change...

But yeah, it wasn't a clean change, yet something that had to be done... Hopefully CCP can make these kinds of improvements more and more flexible, and find that middle ground between starting fresh and stupid, and flying smart and psychotic.. I mean, well-trained...

Skills already train offline.

Ghost training was when your skill continued to train after your account expired. Thus, you set a long skill to train a day or two before expiration, and it finished training without you paying for it.

They removed all of the skills & gave us the benefits that training them all to 5 would've yielded by default.