EVE General Discussion

Just tossing the ball, keep hearing complaints about it.

So i figure what ideas could be brought up to make this activity less... Leucrative.

Sounds crazy but it seems that all the haulers want it to be a near mindless task.
So how could we make this happen?

It seems the whole ganking aspect of high sec ganking is being mostly funded by gankers lootig more value from haulers than was lost by aggressing in high sec.

Is it possible to create a decoy cargo vessel that would make them lose more than the ship is worth?
Would you attack cargo if they were routinely empty?

Would ganking simply be stopped or at least slowed down by mass decoys?
Would gankers be less likely to attack targets if they knew it was much more likely the ship just had an empty vault?
Are killmails even that worth it if its from many empty cargo vessel?

Solutions dont include learn the game. Thats old and lame. Post something exciting.

Just a thought... Im so bored.

Dont stuff 20 bil in the hold?

Honestly, I hear about these guys who carry 25 billion in their freighter and they think that's okay.

Don't make yourself gank bait with uber high cargo value and no escort.

I lost a Viator earlier today to two gankers in cruisers with faction ammo. I was like, WTF? My cargohold is empty ... Gankers were morons as I had NO CARGO. They didn't bother to scan. So my losses were limited to my ship+mods, with the knowledge that the gankers got nothing from me, not even my pod. They didn't even salvage my ship's wreck, which boggled my mind, cuz if there was any profit at all, it would be in that T2 wreck.

Point is - YOU ARE NEVER SAFE, as evidenced by the morons ganking me when there was no real profits. But 99% of the time, if you don't make yourself a giant flying ISK bucket, you will get left alone.

If you have small amounts of high value goods, use a Rokh hauler. They tank up seriously well, and can carry like 2K if rigged as a hauler. I never even get scanned when I am in a Rokh hauler.

In an Itty V, I get regularly scanned as I approach the trade hubs. It's gotten so bad that i named my Itty V "No PLEX Onboard".

why should it be less lucrative? if you're going to carry cargo worth more than it costs to turn your ship to space dust it's only logical that you're going to end up as space dust.

you really can't legislate for stupidity.

Gang bonuses and logis immediately spring to mind.

Filling a hauling ship up with a massive assortment of low volume, low-ISK, crap items (like dancers and spirits) to minimize the odds that something valuable will drop.

No.

You're flying a massive ship designed to haul valuable goods, and you already have an enormous EHP. If you can afford a freighter, and if you can afford to put billions of ISK worth of stuff in it, then you should be able to afford to protect it.

It already takes a real force to destroy a freighter and with support you shouldn't be getting ganked.

Freighters are not being destroyed in droves.

You can't give a frieghter with billions of isk in cargo enough fittings to prevent it from being blown up. If you haul enough crap you're a target. Allowing you to fit more tank to an already huge tank so that you can move excessive amounts of stuff isn't balance. CCP didn't do the barge buff to make it "unprofitable" they did it beause the hulk was singled out as an easy, profitable kill, with minimum investment from the agressor.

Freighters do not suffer from the same problem that the hulk did, even if it was all player induced. The frieghter by it's very nature will be profitable to gank when enough crap is stuffed in it. Reducing the cargo hold and increasing it's tank to make it worthless to gank is not the solution and just amounts to attempting to eliminate yet more pvp from high sec.

Then perhaps when the player logs in for the first time, CCP should flash the player's screen with big flashing red letters saying: "NEW EDEN IS A HARSH PLACE. AS SOON AS YOU UNDOCKED, IT IS HIGHLY LIKELY THAT YOU WILL BE ATTACKED BY OTHER PLAYERS"

Risk free isk?


By risk free isk you mean being forced to willingly have a ship blown up?

You and I must have entirely different ideas of "risk free". To me risk free isk is being able to fly around high sec knowing that you can make yourelf ungankable or just knowing that gankingis such a pain in the ass that your pretty much guaranteed to not be ganked.


Not to meniton knowing that when I don't stuff my hold with billions of ISK in valuable that I can fly around high sec with no worry of being targetted by another player. That sounds a lot more risk free to me than commiting suidice.

Suicide ganking is the riskiest thing you can do - however it can be quite lucrative if you are co-ordinated well. It is one of the most balanced professions in EVE in terms of risk vs reward in my opinion.