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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#21 - 2012-11-04 09:12:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
Xenuria wrote:
I am not sure I fully understand what is happening in this thread.


OP put a 12bn ISK bounty on himself and sits in Jita offering people to pod him for the low price of 800m ISK under the pretence of being unable to pod himself because he lives in Peru, which somehow prevents him from killing himself with an alt. Now he is selling lottery tickets for 30m ISK each to allow one person to kill him for his 12bn ISK bounty.

In simple terms - you give him money, he takes your money. That's all.

Oh god.
Enderw Wiggin
Syndicate Holdings
#22 - 2012-11-04 10:08:43 UTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cufG2Dlxvk

lulz

We've seen this route before. On a long enough time line all kicks are dull. U R dull BB

Ender
Darvaleth Sigma
Imperial Security Hegemony
#23 - 2012-11-04 11:24:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Darvaleth Sigma
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
Darvaleth Sigma wrote:
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Ok, seeing as people seem incapable of figuring out this scam for themselves, I will do it for them.

Firstly, the OP has admitted to a past of tomfoolery and scumduggery. They say that they want to atone, however, and that everything will be all right again. 12b up for grabs, and all you need to do is give 30m. (Sounds familiar... I wonder how many Nigerian Princes have left me billions only if I submit my bank details.)

That's a fair trade, right? 30m for 12b is a pretty good-going rate. I mean, it's not like the OP will take your money and run away with it, is it? No, of course you'll get the pod.

So, let's carry on with the scam. After all, somebody's definitely going to get that 12b. But it's such a good deal that no doubt lots of people will want the 30m 12b swap; already in this thread 120m has been handed over.

So what happens to the people that sent in 30m but don't get chosen? Because of course, somebody will get chosen (because the OP will definitely not want to keep the scam going on for as long as possible by keeping the bounty), but everybody can't get it. Already the OP has earned 90m out of gullible readers, and that's an absolute minimum.

If you don't get chosen (and that's pretty much a guarantee) then you've just lost 30m. You will NOT get it back. You will NOT get 12b.


If the OP really wants to prove me wrong, I'll see a lone pod appear in Jita labelled "12b". I somehow doubt it.

Lol. Darvaleth Sigma +1 thank you for giving me a giggle and making it worthwhile for me to make this post. Men reacting to other men on the internet is indeed a wonderful thing.

What did I admit to in OP ? I admitted to crimes. You're still making assumptions that these crimes include scamming? Given you have made allegations based on assumptions that your mind has subsequently converted into assertions, this would be the point where I would ask you to provide substantiation.

If you are unable to provide any then i can call you out as a wee boy on the internet who cries wolf when the flock are safe Big smile




I can't prove that you have categorically scammed people, but I don't think I need to. You've admitted to crimes, and plenty of them, so already there's a good statistical chance that amongst your storied career there's a sneaky scam here and here. But that's a very poor argument.

The reason I don't need to know that you have specifically scammed is because you are already an EVE criminal, as it were. Your history of crimes makes you infinitely more suspect than somebody who hasn't done what you've done. Heck, you've got a 12b bounty for it! If I found a real-life criminal, who had, say, murdered several people, I'm much less likely to trust him with my wallet than somebody who's never been convicted of anything. Much less likely am I to trust somebody who's been formally declared an enemy of the people (bounty-equivalent).

And finally, as somebody else mentioned, if you're as short on ISK as you've admitted to in the OP, why aren't you claiming the bounty for yourself? All it would cost you is £10 (or 16$ or however much it is) to net yourself 12b.Which could in turn pay PLEXes for both your alt and main for twelve months.

That's why it's a scam, and that's why I don't trust it.

Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.

Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life!
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
#24 - 2012-11-04 12:34:05 UTC
Darvaleth Sigma wrote:
I can't prove that you have categorically scammed people, but I don't think I need to. You've admitted to crimes, and plenty of them, so already there's a good statistical chance that amongst your storied career there's a sneaky scam here and here. But that's a very poor argument.

The reason I don't need to know that you have specifically scammed is because you are already an EVE criminal, as it were. Your history of crimes makes you infinitely more suspect than somebody who hasn't done what you've done. Heck, you've got a 12b bounty for it! If I found a real-life criminal, who had, say, murdered several people, I'm much less likely to trust him with my wallet than somebody who's never been convicted of anything. Much less likely am I to trust somebody who's been formally declared an enemy of the people (bounty-equivalent).

And finally, as somebody else mentioned, if you're as short on ISK as you've admitted to in the OP, why aren't you claiming the bounty for yourself? All it would cost you is £10 (or 16$ or however much it is) to net yourself 12b.Which could in turn pay PLEXes for both your alt and main for twelve months.

That's why it's a scam, and that's why I don't trust it.

If you make an allegation then the onus is on you to provide proof. An attempt at rationale thought is not conclusive of anything. I am Innocent until proven guilty. Your argument would be mocked in a court of law.

You make the point that I am an eve criminal. Are you suggesting broad-brush that all eve criminals are now scammers? You seem to try use this as a means to augment your flawed supposition. For all you know somebody might have tricked me into taking a sec hit mechanics wise. Keep making assumptions Davaleth, the reality is you are clutching at straws and banging you head against a brick wall.

As to your final point - why puzzle your mind trying to comprehend the things that be? You again assume my personal computer can run two clients. Papa has a hard enough time keeping the generator running under the shack.

Are you a role player by any chance?

Concord Approved Trader
eddie valvetino
Bi-Polar Bears
#25 - 2012-11-04 12:36:47 UTC
A scam, no matter how well worded or devized, is still a scam,

Nice try

5/10
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
#26 - 2012-11-04 12:51:54 UTC
eddie valvetino wrote:
A scam, no matter how well worded or devized, is still a scam,

Nice try

5/10

An allegation, no matter how well worded or devised, is still just an allegation without proof.

Boy #2 crying wolf on the internet has appeared.

Concord Approved Trader
Mikeh24
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-11-04 12:59:23 UTC
Darvaleth Sigma wrote:

Firstly, the OP has admitted to a past of tomfoolery and scumduggery. They say that they want to atone, however, and that everything will be all right again. 12b up for grabs, and all you need to do is give 30m. (Sounds familiar... I wonder how many Nigerian Princes have left me billions only if I submit my bank details.)


I believe Boom Boom wants to change and you are very over zealous


Darvaleth Sigma wrote:

That's a fair trade, right? 30m for 12b is a pretty good-going rate. I mean, it's not like the OP will take your money and run away with it, is it? No, of course you'll get the pod.


Sounds like I'm going to be getting 12Bill and you're getting none.

Darvaleth Sigma wrote:

So, let's carry on with the scam. After all, somebody's definitely going to get that 12b. But it's such a good deal that no doubt lots of people will want the 30m 12b swap; already in this thread 120m has been handed over.


Keep claiming this thread is a farce so others won't send 30 mill also and diminish my chances of winning.

Darvaleth Sigma wrote:

So what happens to the people that sent in 30m but don't get chosen?


They clearly lost perhaps you should re-read the OP.

Darvaleth Sigma wrote:

Already the OP has earned 90m out of gullible readers, and that's an absolute minimum.


I know exactly what is going on here.



Reaching the single post quoting limit I digress hoping that you will change your ways though, requiring much thought, I am unsure if you are capable of such feats.
Darvaleth Sigma
Imperial Security Hegemony
#28 - 2012-11-04 13:15:35 UTC
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
Darvaleth Sigma wrote:
I can't prove that you have categorically scammed people, but I don't think I need to. You've admitted to crimes, and plenty of them, so already there's a good statistical chance that amongst your storied career there's a sneaky scam here and here. But that's a very poor argument.

The reason I don't need to know that you have specifically scammed is because you are already an EVE criminal, as it were. Your history of crimes makes you infinitely more suspect than somebody who hasn't done what you've done. Heck, you've got a 12b bounty for it! If I found a real-life criminal, who had, say, murdered several people, I'm much less likely to trust him with my wallet than somebody who's never been convicted of anything. Much less likely am I to trust somebody who's been formally declared an enemy of the people (bounty-equivalent).

And finally, as somebody else mentioned, if you're as short on ISK as you've admitted to in the OP, why aren't you claiming the bounty for yourself? All it would cost you is £10 (or 16$ or however much it is) to net yourself 12b.Which could in turn pay PLEXes for both your alt and main for twelve months.

That's why it's a scam, and that's why I don't trust it.

If you make an allegation then the onus is on you to provide proof. An attempt at rationale thought is not conclusive of anything. I am Innocent until proven guilty. Your argument would be mocked in a court of law.

You make the point that I am an eve criminal. Are you suggesting broad-brush that all eve criminals are now scammers? You seem to try use this as a means to augment your flawed supposition. For all you know somebody might have tricked me into taking a sec hit mechanics wise. Keep making assumptions Davaleth, the reality is you are clutching at straws and banging you head against a brick wall.

As to your final point - why puzzle your mind trying to comprehend the things that be? You again assume my personal computer can run two clients. Papa has a hard enough time keeping the generator running under the shack.

Are you a role player by any chance?



I don't have concrete evidence because I've not researched, and I'm not sad enough to do that to prove a point. I think there's a misunderstanding.

You're saying that I can't prove you guilty, therefore my argument is invalid. I'm saying that I don't need/want to prove you guilty, because I, personally, can be sceptical enough as to not want to give you money. What I'm trying to do is reveal why I think this, so that others might be able to see what I mean and perhaps revise their decision to send in money.

I treat anything where you get an easy, massive profit for a relatively small input as suspicious. It doesn't help when the person instigating what I would now call a "scam" has admitted to a past of crime.

As for being unable to run two clients, I am sure that if you truly wanted to you could. Minimum setting across the board, get both pilots close together separately before bringing them together for a quick podkill, which shouldn't take longer than a minute.

Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.

Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life!
Mikeh24
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-11-04 13:18:43 UTC
Darvaleth Sigma wrote:

You're saying that I can't prove you guilty, therefore my argument is invalid.


I don't even.....
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#30 - 2012-11-04 13:19:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
If he wants to change, then why is he charging money for it?

"Hey guys, my mother thinks I'm a total jerk and told me to stop ripping people off. Pay me hundreds of millions of ISK so I can stop ripping people off. I'm serious, I really want to change my ways."

Sounds legit to me. Glad to see OP is so dedicated to making himself a better person and totally not profiting from other people's stupidity.

Oh god.
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#31 - 2012-11-04 13:21:58 UTC
Darvaleth Sigma wrote:
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:

You're just another man on the internet making assumptions.

How is asking for humour and a 30m entry fee for a chance of 12b scamming pilots dry lol?

I hate to think how threadbare your wallet must be Big smile

I am endeavouring to make what is wrong, right.


Ok, seeing as people seem incapable of figuring out this scam for themselves, I will do it for them.

Firstly, the OP has admitted to a past of tomfoolery and scumduggery. They say that they want to atone, however, and that everything will be all right again. 12b up for grabs, and all you need to do is give 30m. (Sounds familiar... I wonder how many Nigerian Princes have left me billions only if I submit my bank details.)

That's a fair trade, right? 30m for 12b is a pretty good-going rate. I mean, it's not like the OP will take your money and run away with it, is it? No, of course you'll get the pod.

So, let's carry on with the scam. After all, somebody's definitely going to get that 12b. But it's such a good deal that no doubt lots of people will want the 30m 12b swap; already in this thread 120m has been handed over.

So what happens to the people that sent in 30m but don't get chosen? Because of course, somebody will get chosen (because the OP will definitely not want to keep the scam going on for as long as possible by keeping the bounty), but everybody can't get it. Already the OP has earned 90m out of gullible readers, and that's an absolute minimum.

If you don't get chosen (and that's pretty much a guarantee) then you've just lost 30m. You will NOT get it back. You will NOT get 12b.


If the OP really wants to prove me wrong, I'll see a lone pod appear in Jita labelled "12b". I somehow doubt it.



You just described a Nigerian scam... and an ordinary raffle.

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
Mikeh24
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-11-04 13:26:03 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
If he wants to change, then why is he charging money for it?

"Hey guys, my mother thinks I'm a total jerk and told me to stop ripping people off. Pay me hundreds of millions of ISK so I can stop ripping people off. I'm serious, I really want to change my ways."


It's like a lottery... If BIG can do it then why can't the OP. The only difference is I wouldn't play the BIG lottery because back in 07-08 a few of us took over their outpost in the drone regions so I'm unsure if they would be as professional towards me as the OP has been.
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#33 - 2012-11-04 13:27:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalel Nimrott
With this op I would only take it with chribba as a third party.

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
#34 - 2012-11-04 13:33:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Boom Boom Longtime
Darvaleth Sigma wrote:
I don't have concrete evidence because I've not researched, and I'm not sad enough to do that to prove a point. I think there's a misunderstanding.

You're saying that I can't prove you guilty, therefore my argument is invalid. I'm saying that I don't need/want to prove you guilty, because I, personally, can be sceptical enough as to not want to give you money. What I'm trying to do is reveal why I think this, so that others might be able to see what I mean and perhaps revise their decision to send in money.

I treat anything where you get an easy, massive profit for a relatively small input as suspicious. It doesn't help when the person instigating what I would now call a "scam" has admitted to a past of crime.

As for being unable to run two clients, I am sure that if you truly wanted to you could. Minimum setting across the board, get both pilots close together separately before bringing them together for a quick podkill, which shouldn't take longer than a minute.

So what you are saying is you have done no research but are happy to shoot off your yapper without knowing facts as if you are some wisely sage? All you "reveal" here is your willingness to dance on my strings as you clutch at straws.

The fact still remains that f you assert your assumptions as veritas without yielding anything to back them up you continue to allow me to openly call you out as a wee boy who cries wolf on the internet. At no point have you countered any of my arguements with a valid retort so you seem to enjoy banging your head against the brick wall Big smile

As for your third point it amuses me that you continue to puzzle your mind trying to comprehend what is going on here.

Concord Approved Trader
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
#35 - 2012-11-04 13:44:43 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
If he wants to change, then why is he charging money for it?

I explain why there is an entry fee in the OP Snowflake.

This is a "Community Victim Support and Rehabilitation Exercise".

Concord Approved Trader
Singeabooty Raj
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-11-04 13:57:08 UTC
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
With this op I would only take it with chribba as a third party.

Another man in this thread seems boggled by what is being offered in the OP.

You want Chribba to third party a 30m entry fee into what is in effect a humour lottery?

PPP


Black Man with Goggles
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#37 - 2012-11-04 14:00:02 UTC
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
This is a "Community Victim Support and Rehabilitation Exercise".


How noble. What kind of support and rehabilitation does this exercise offer for your victims?

I think a more simplified name for your exercise would be to call it "Teaching victims how to cope with scamming in EvE".

I feel even that name can be simplified further though. How about "You got ripped off. Deal with it." Has a nice ring to it...

Oh god.
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
#38 - 2012-11-04 14:14:11 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
How noble. What kind of support and rehabilitation does this exercise offer for your victims?

Why dont you take the time to revist the OP and properly digest the information provided instead of asking questions that are already addressed there?

Then again you said i sit in Jita........

I suppose some sheep will always require a shepherd.

Concord Approved Trader
Darvaleth Sigma
Imperial Security Hegemony
#39 - 2012-11-04 14:18:17 UTC
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
Darvaleth Sigma wrote:
I don't have concrete evidence because I've not researched, and I'm not sad enough to do that to prove a point. I think there's a misunderstanding.

You're saying that I can't prove you guilty, therefore my argument is invalid. I'm saying that I don't need/want to prove you guilty, because I, personally, can be sceptical enough as to not want to give you money. What I'm trying to do is reveal why I think this, so that others might be able to see what I mean and perhaps revise their decision to send in money.

I treat anything where you get an easy, massive profit for a relatively small input as suspicious. It doesn't help when the person instigating what I would now call a "scam" has admitted to a past of crime.

As for being unable to run two clients, I am sure that if you truly wanted to you could. Minimum setting across the board, get both pilots close together separately before bringing them together for a quick podkill, which shouldn't take longer than a minute.

So what you are saying is you have done no research but are happy to shoot off your yapper without knowing facts as if you are some wisely sage? All you "reveal" here is your willingness to dance on my strings as you clutch at straws.

The fact still remains that f you assert your assumptions as veritas without yielding anything to back them up you continue to allow me to openly call you out as a wee boy who cries wolf on the internet. At no point have you countered any of my arguements with a valid retort so you seem to enjoy banging your head against the brick wall Big smile

As for your third point it amuses me that you continue to puzzle your mind trying to comprehend what is going on here.


Each time I put forward my thoughts in a different way, you come back with the same post. The forumla is as follows:

You're wrong

You're not answering my incredibly repetitive argument with all of your different posts

My computer runs on potato batteries


I'm not going to bother coming back, as I've made my point clear. This is a scam, if you're that rich that you don't care about losing 30m then send it to me instead.

Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.

Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life!
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#40 - 2012-11-04 14:22:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
Why dont you take the time to revist the OP and properly digest the information provided instead of asking questions that are already addressed there?

Okay I checked. So you're going to give money back to the victims of your crimes. Do you have a list of their names?

Quote:
Then again you said i sit in Jita........

I meant Amarr. Whatever.

Oh god.
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