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What is the safe value of hauling in a freighter?

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Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-11-03 11:25:34 UTC
Truth is, gankers will very rarely go through your loot item by item and count if it adds up to 1b or 1.2b or 1.5b. They'll look at the cargo scan and look for shiny things - blueprints, faction/deadspace/officer mods, moon goo, loads of TII stuff, etc. It's not just about how valuable your cargo is, but also about how valuable your cargo appears.
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-11-03 11:27:42 UTC
I only travel with at least 10 billion in value in freighters. Otherwise its no fun.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.

Ocih
Space Mermaids
#23 - 2012-11-03 12:27:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Ocih
As others have pointed out, it's route.

Right now the Uedama and Niarja pipe is not viable. It isn't risk, they aren't viable routes.

The reason Jita Burn was a 36 hr comedy side show was Concord was bug zapping pirates faster than pirate corps could produce them. That's not the case in Uedama. It has a .5054403 true sec and it's not enough to provoke a large scale concord response.

CCP could put Concord beacons on the maps but it's doubtful they will unless people start hitting the cancel Sub button due to relentless attitudes of people camping those systems. Players could War dec but that was taken off the table with the multi billion ISK dec shielding system. Bring blob is a white paper solution. It sounds great on the forum but LFG so I can move my PvE assets won't work in the most dedicated Null sec alliances, forget loose affiliate corps used in High Sec.

Not viable. Log out, go play something else.
Othran
Route One
#24 - 2012-11-03 13:33:06 UTC
Guile SONICBOOM wrote:

People just simply gank freighters for the lulz, especially if its a JF?


A JF is 300k EHP+ depending on pilot skill but take 300k EHP as an average.

It will require a lot of tier 3 battlecruisers to take that out before Concorde arrive even in a 0.5 system.

During Burn Jita I saw some goons in Perimeter alpha a JF but that took 30-35 Tornados. It was very impressive but probably cost them 2 bill or so to do. No idea what was in the JF but he was AFK slowboating into Jita, so bugger all probably.

So no, nobody ganks JFs "for the lulz" except on special occassions like Burn Jita.

Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#25 - 2012-11-03 14:02:48 UTC
Andski wrote:
Double-wrap regardless of what you're hauling, encourage other freighter pilots to do the same?


I got ganked in my Itty 5 with a double wrap; it was double wraped only for convienence for switching between toons mind. The pirate popped me assuming that the double wrap was hiding something, and got mining crystals for his tornado.

Just food for thought.

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Dave Stark
#26 - 2012-11-03 14:08:23 UTC
Desert Ice78 wrote:
Andski wrote:
Double-wrap regardless of what you're hauling, encourage other freighter pilots to do the same?


I got ganked in my Itty 5 with a double wrap; it was double wraped only for convienence for switching between toons mind. The pirate popped me assuming that the double wrap was hiding something, and got mining crystals for his tornado.

Just food for thought.


i'd be tempted to double wrap 1 trit and haul it in a frig so people think it's plex.

serve them right, no matter what they gank you in they will always lose.
CCP Falcon
#27 - 2012-11-03 14:10:42 UTC

Zero.

When you log into EVE, you should never assume that you are safe from the actions of other players.

This is the way the sandbox works. Smile

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KrakizBad
Section 8.
#28 - 2012-11-03 14:20:29 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Truth is, gankers will very rarely go through your loot item by item and count if it adds up to 1b or 1.2b or 1.5b. They'll look at the cargo scan and look for shiny things - blueprints, faction/deadspace/officer mods, moon goo, loads of TII stuff, etc. It's not just about how valuable your cargo is, but also about how valuable your cargo appears.

Actually, there's an app for that now. Scan, copy/paste, get total cargo value instantly. Progress \o/
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-11-03 14:57:35 UTC
If you carry 5 billion or more in a freighter, you probably won't get ganked. This is because the gates you pass don't have a freighter gank fleet ready most of the time, not because you're not worth the trouble. Make a long trip and you'll get twelve scanner scouts from different highsec pirate corps following you, fleeting with their corpmates desperately trying to toss together a gank fleet in time to catch you, but you won't see them unless they're ready.

Just stick between 1-2 billion if not less, and you'll usually only be ganked for the lulz, not for monetary reasons (that means you're MUCH less likely to be ganked).

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Jiska Ensa
Estrale Frontiers
#30 - 2012-11-03 15:29:08 UTC
Right now if you double-pack everythign you put in a freighter, it lowers the risk to a reasonable level. God help us the day CCP caves to the gankers and eliminates that mechanic...

But in the near future, certian people in certain alliances may find it impossible to take a jump freighter anywhere thanks to the 20% payout a bounty on their corp/alliance would give them (that's close to 2 billion isk in an empty JF).

Also, never, ever, ever autopilot unless you're empty/don't care about your ship.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-11-03 15:46:13 UTC
Jiska Ensa wrote:
But in the near future, certian people in certain alliances may find it impossible to take a jump freighter anywhere thanks to the 20% payout a bounty on their corp/alliance would give them (that's close to 2 billion isk in an empty JF).


That's what out of corp alts are for.

(Although I could imagine someone being crazy enough to put billions in bounties on anyone they see flying a jumptruck just to "burn" the character...)
Dave Stark
#32 - 2012-11-03 15:50:39 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Jiska Ensa wrote:
But in the near future, certian people in certain alliances may find it impossible to take a jump freighter anywhere thanks to the 20% payout a bounty on their corp/alliance would give them (that's close to 2 billion isk in an empty JF).


That's what out of corp alts are for.

(Although I could imagine someone being crazy enough to put billions in bounties on anyone they see flying a jumptruck just to "burn" the character...)


you mean like goons putting it on all known jf alts of other null sec alliances they're at war with?
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-11-03 15:51:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
Dave stark wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Jiska Ensa wrote:
But in the near future, certian people in certain alliances may find it impossible to take a jump freighter anywhere thanks to the 20% payout a bounty on their corp/alliance would give them (that's close to 2 billion isk in an empty JF).


That's what out of corp alts are for.

(Although I could imagine someone being crazy enough to put billions in bounties on anyone they see flying a jumptruck just to "burn" the character...)


you mean like goons putting it on all known jf alts of other null sec alliances they're at war with?


It's not unthinkable.

Or perhaps, freight companies putting bounties on each other('s NPC alts) to take the competition out of business.
Dave Stark
#34 - 2012-11-03 15:53:24 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Jiska Ensa wrote:
But in the near future, certian people in certain alliances may find it impossible to take a jump freighter anywhere thanks to the 20% payout a bounty on their corp/alliance would give them (that's close to 2 billion isk in an empty JF).


That's what out of corp alts are for.

(Although I could imagine someone being crazy enough to put billions in bounties on anyone they see flying a jumptruck just to "burn" the character...)


you mean like goons putting it on all known jf alts of other null sec alliances they're at war with?


It's not unthinkable.

Or perhaps, freight companies putting bounties on each other('s NPC alts) to take the competition out of business.


oh the possibilities...
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2012-11-03 17:11:36 UTC
Guile SONICBOOM wrote:
I hear contrary things like you can carry up to 5 billion safely. Or anything 1 Billion or above is automatic gank.


People just simply gank freighters for the lulz, especially if its a JF?

What is the safest amount to haul before you should stop, to the point you're not worth ganking for profit?

There is no "safe".
Many, not specifically excluding me, would gank you just for the lulz.

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Aye Pal
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-11-03 17:16:52 UTC
You can haul anything.

All you need is support if you're hauling a crap ton of items work a lot of ISK
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#37 - 2012-11-03 17:31:28 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

Zero.

When you log into EVE, you should never assume that you are safe from the actions of other players.

This is the way the sandbox works. Smile




Not empty quoting.

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Aineko Macx
#38 - 2012-11-03 18:21:28 UTC
If you read that article about goons ganking freighters, they stated they were targeting loads starting at 7bil in value.
Dave Stark
#39 - 2012-11-03 18:22:32 UTC
Aineko Macx wrote:
If you read that article about goons ganking freighters, they stated they were targeting loads starting at 7bil in value.


do you have a link to this article? please.
Aineko Macx
#40 - 2012-11-03 21:01:43 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Aineko Macx wrote:
If you read that article about goons ganking freighters, they stated they were targeting loads starting at 7bil in value.

do you have a link to this article? please.

Linky
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