EVE General Discussion

So you all agree with me that renting stuff is the best way to dump isk into oblivion, right?
Now get yer lazy bums together and come up with usefull stuff that an EVE player can rent.

It has to range from cheap to ludicrously expensive.

The whole range has to be useful and attractive.

It may be vanity.

Considering how EVE is all about power and status, it would be a bonus if vanity items would have a social impact. Take for example, should we have "personal living space" as a feature that players can rent; it would be a pretty pointless thing to have by itself aside from the possibility of showing it off and maybe satisfying your personal vanity needs. But it would have absolutely no other purpose. However if having something so ludicrously expensive counted towards something as universal status then it would be a different story.

Imagine "gentlemen's clubs" or some such, where only the wealthiest are allowed to be members. What would an EVE equivalent be? And more importantly, what would a player gain from having access to a "snobbish club"? It must be useful. It must impact overall EVE gameplay somehow. Yet it must not be something that is overlordly good. And finally it should only be accessible only as long as you are above a certain point of social status.

Now I think that it is extremely important to not have any kind of separation of communities like the way it is made with certain pay-to-win online games. Pay some real life cash, gain exclusive stuff, gain access to exclusive areas and yada yada. This is just plain bad and fail.

But if it is with ingame currency that everyone can earn in the game on even terms, it becomes a whooole different story.

Anyway this is just one example of how you could turn vanity into something more attractive that people would be willing to spend isk on.

More ISK sinks.

Someone made a fantastic thread in the Assembly hall about creating "Advertising" on billboards and on station CQ screens etc for prices decided by system traffic. Which would be a massive massive ISK sink. If I can find the thread I'll post it up.

Edit: There you go. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=96911

Even CCPs economist stated that the current inflation in eve is a bit higher than desirable, and I agree.

I'd vote for nerfing T1 ship insurance payouts to levels comparable to T2, as one way to decrease the isk faucet/sink imbalance.


This is a fallacy. Increases in prices due to changes in supply/demand are not automatically inflation.
Inflation is the devaluation of the currency.

Keep your hands off my isk you dirty communist socialist pig.

The more people that shoot NPCs, and do missions, the more ISK enters the economy.


PvP drives the economy, along with PvE. Shooting ships, and getting ships blown up is what allows the economy to work.

"Taxes", which your idea is really no different than, isn't about how the economy is driven. "Taxing" in a video game is how currency or money -EVE has money, WoW has currency- is removed.


Comparing real economic theory to EVE is perfectly viable, it's modelled after a real world economy and some things translate. Blizzard doesn't have economists working on WoW, CCP does with EVE.

Nothing you wrote about really had anything to do with economics though, they were just things that involve money, and how to spend it. They would indeed help to reduce inflation in EVE, but that doesn't really mean you're talking economics though.



EVEs economy is an exceptional thing, and the guys at CCP really know what they're doing. I don't think many people really grasp the significance of PLEX and how It's used to combat inflation in EVE.

Because CCP went on a "gold standard" you don't just worry about "how much" ISK is in the system, but "what is it worth". Taking to much out can be as bad as putting to much in, possibly even worse.

It's ok for people to have lots of ISK in EVE, as long as it's being distributated. The only way to distribute wealth in EVE is to blow **** up. As long as enough things blow up the enocomy thrives, regardless of how much isk is available.


Less **** blowing up means more **** being mined that is used to make more **** that people aren't buying. ISK is worthless when things don't get blown up.

There is always a bottom that money works it's way to without things like stock markets. EVE doesn't really have any means of distributing wealth from the bottom, back to the top again. Things like PoS fuel aren't large enough distributors, and sinse there's a system of generating money it's cool, as long as the "gold standard" is controlled properly to ensure that the money doesn't sink in value to fast.


CCP is our federal reserve, and they trade gold -PLEX- as the economy demands it, at least they hope to. They're doing the same thing the US use to do prior to 1971, when the dollar was based on the value of gold and the dollar was the standard by which all other money was valued against. The Federal Reserve would, and still does, manipulate gold to ensure that the dollar held a certian value, and they could do it esier.

The big difference being that PLEX isn't a limitted resource that requires actual labor to obtain, and can be physically traded in large quantities. That and we can't really turn around and demand to trade in all of our ISK for PLEX, and crash the value of PLEX.

I'm also aware that PLEX is based on the value of the dollar as well. The economic depth of EVE is very deep indeed.
Making suggestions is easy, understanding how those suggestion would actually impact the economy in EVE is beyond most of us, myself included.


Just blow **** up.

Sooo the Drone Alloy nerf was not the priciple cause of the massive inflation of ship prices?

There are still some claiming it's because they bump miners or barges genocide, worst, you still have idiots claiming loot drop/reprocess was "too much"

Taxes only deflate the value. You need to spread out demand more with greater goods and services. Competition drives down prices, puts value into the currency. Not just direct competition, but the competition through a broader choice of goods and services to purchase, more diversity.

And yes it only slows the devalue, as ISK faucets continue. Like they will probably plug the current FW isk faucet (through LP) soon and open another elsewhere. In other mmo's where there is just so much stuff, prices go down, sometimes too much.

I believe you need a T3 warp scrambler.

Inflation doesn't matter because you can't just stop using the only available currency. Unlike Zimbabwe where you could sell your eggs for worthless trillions of Zimbabwe money or sell them for $1USD if you could find someone with $1 USD and not get your arm chopped off in the process.