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Why are Corporations So Invasive???

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Commander Hurricane
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#121 - 2012-11-02 13:32:13 UTC
Two things:

First off, the only alliances that are spy free are the ones who no one cares about. If you're an alliance of any note, you have spys, no exceptions.

Secondly, full APIs have actually helped me stop awoxers from getting into my corp. Both reading mails and looking at transaction history stopped billions of risk in losses.

Full APIs are like locks on your door at home. If someone wants to break in and mess your **** up, they will, and no lock can stop them, but it'll keep the average person from doing the same.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#122 - 2012-11-02 13:34:04 UTC
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Quote:
Why are Corporations So Invasive???


Because of me.


/thread
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#123 - 2012-11-02 13:47:19 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Moe Doobie wrote:

Hiding = Malicious intent.


In EVE, that is a safe assumption.


Actually in Eve the equation is more like:

Logged In = Malicious Intent.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#124 - 2012-11-02 14:25:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Karrl Tian
Moe Doobie wrote:


They claimed it was to ensure I wasn't being funded by a main for "Awoxing" or w/e....w/e that means.



They wanted to prevent this from happening.
AcadiaAwakened
Acadia Investment Group
#125 - 2012-11-02 14:47:13 UTC
Moe Doobie wrote:

Yes I understand this is just a game, but my irritation due to this level of invasiveness comes from RL; my Employer didn't even ask me how much money I have and request an account of every transaction I've had that year. I don't like people knowing that sort of info about me. It's none of your business what I buy and how much money I have.


If you live in the US and are applying for anything more than retail/food service, then actually yes, your employer certainly ran a credit check on you. They know exactly your debt, your recent capital purchases, banks you have accounts with, etc etc.
Sointu Luonnotar
Doomheim
#126 - 2012-11-02 15:37:38 UTC
This thread is one of the many reasons I left 0.0.
I don't trust anyone enough to give them my full API and be responsible with it. If they don't want a fully skilled logistics pilot or a minmatar artillery specialist on the off chance I might be a spy then that's their loss, f*** em. Trust is a two way street, I won't trust a corp if it doesn't trust me.
Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
HORSE-KILLERS
#127 - 2012-11-02 15:54:55 UTC
on the risk that someone already posted it (dont want to read all 7 pages =)

http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20120625

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#128 - 2012-11-02 15:59:13 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Moe Doobie wrote:

Hiding = Malicious intent.


In EVE, that is a safe assumption.


Actually in Eve the equation is more like:

Logged In = Malicious Intent.


Preach it loud De'Veldrin, +1
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
#129 - 2012-11-02 16:13:15 UTC
Sointu Luonnotar wrote:
This thread is one of the many reasons I left 0.0.
I don't trust anyone enough to give them my full API and be responsible with it. If they don't want a fully skilled logistics pilot or a minmatar artillery specialist on the off chance I might be a spy then that's their loss, f*** em. Trust is a two way street, I won't trust a corp if it doesn't trust me.


Oh you mean the null corps that keep qq'ing cuz no one lives there?
Oaiso
#130 - 2012-11-02 16:25:21 UTC
0.0 is sort of like an insufferable nerd who spends an incredible amount of energy purposely antagonizing people, making their lives difficult.

Then wonders why no one wants to be around him.

Even their own members don't log on.

It's already to the point in this game where the nerd declares everyone else his Arch Enemy and descends into belligerent lunacy (just like irl)
Oaiso
#131 - 2012-11-02 16:27:45 UTC
To be fair some high-sec corps are like this to, but they almost always are the ones aspiring move to 0.0
Wodensun
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#132 - 2012-11-02 19:00:54 UTC
Security is a multi faceted process. API checks are just 1 part of the solution. There are corps out there who do a lot more then check your api. They check for other characters on your account, look at your posting history, check the friends/asociates you surround yourself with ect ect.

And as for RL you bet your ass that you have to surrender your bank details if you do something sensitive and not only that.

Do not give me likes them 101 likes arent a accident...
Wodensun
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#133 - 2012-11-02 19:03:25 UTC
Sointu Luonnotar wrote:
This thread is one of the many reasons I left 0.0.
I don't trust anyone enough to give them my full API and be responsible with it. If they don't want a fully skilled logistics pilot or a minmatar artillery specialist on the off chance I might be a spy then that's their loss, f*** em. Trust is a two way street, I won't trust a corp if it doesn't trust me.


No its not actually. But keep dreaming trust me the world will look a lot nicer to you then it does to me.

Do not give me likes them 101 likes arent a accident...
Elias Greyhand
#134 - 2012-11-02 19:09:04 UTC
Oaiso wrote:
....descends into belligerent lunacy (just like irl)


Nothing wrong with a bit of lunacy!

"That which is done cannot be undone. But it can be avenged."
Wodensun
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#135 - 2012-11-02 19:24:11 UTC
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Quote:
Why are Corporations So Invasive???


Because of me.


lol you glorious bastard

Do not give me likes them 101 likes arent a accident...
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#136 - 2012-11-02 19:39:08 UTC
Moe Doobie wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Because of the omnipresence of spies and sabotage.



Ok....I'll be clearer about my confusion:

If I'm a spy, I'm after something, right?

I'm probably an experienced player, right?

Me being a spy AND experienced, I already know what API keys show, and what you would consider a red flag, right?

So then wouldn't you expect me to apply with a pristine toon?

How does my transaction history help you determine whether or not I'm a spy? Is this foolproof?

Not everyone is "experienced" and no one has anyway to know if you're "experienced" or not if they can't see all the activity of your character.

Without being able to see my wallet transactions, no one would know that my alt is being funeded by a goon. Because of the API information I can't plant my alt into another corp. The API "helps" prevent spies, and good players know this.

Bad players don't look at the API; not the other way around. Not to mention, that "pristine" toon, with no wallet history or any history of any kind looks pretty suspicious. Your wallet history tells people more about what you've been doing while you were training than your corp history does, and having a guy that's done nothing can look just as bad as a wallet that shouls you've been funded by the wrong person.

Not to mention it allows people to connect other dots. There are 3rd party tools that allow people to see your chat history. By looking at all the activity of your character and sifting through chat history people can figure out a lot about who you really are.


This isn't other MMO's that offer no emergent gameplay, "just sending an aplication" can mean the end of a corp who "just accpets the application". There's a difference between being invasive for the sake of being invasive, and being invasive because you have to protect assets from people that seek to take those assets from you.

Your WoW guild isn't going to crash and burn because someone robbed the guild bank. EVE corps disband because they let the wrong person in.
Kaylyis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#137 - 2012-11-02 19:44:09 UTC
That and pristine toons are suspicious because some people are drawn to EVE by the prospect of infiltration and sabotage. There's a rather strong presence among various intel communities IRL who won't tell you their real jobs.
Ginger Barbarella
#138 - 2012-11-02 20:23:06 UTC
Don't get irritated. Just tell them to pound sand if they ask for your API key.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Ginger Barbarella
#139 - 2012-11-02 20:25:55 UTC
Karrl Tian wrote:
Moe Doobie wrote:


They claimed it was to ensure I wasn't being funded by a main for "Awoxing" or w/e....w/e that means.



They wanted to prevent this from happening.


Stopped at 24 seconds. Yawned. Came back to post. Got bored. Moving along.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#140 - 2012-11-02 20:40:57 UTC
Peter Powers wrote:
on the risk that someone already posted it (dont want to read all 7 pages =)

http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20120625


this deserves a bump, was going to post myself.