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Why are Corporations So Invasive???

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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#21 - 2012-11-02 00:46:47 UTC
Moe Doobie wrote:
Come on man, you know spies play to WIN dude.

You really think paying 30 bucks for a 90-day toon just to build up a credible history ISN'T worth billions of isk or info that will win a huge war???

Even IF the spy has to pay it (which we both know he probably wont;, the Alliance will probably pony that up,it's 30 bucks) it's still worth it. 20 bucks for plex, or 30 bucks for a toon that could net you billions???


The kinds of spies who win wars are director-level spies.

That's gonna involve a new account, several months building a believable history, and then several years getting the entire alliance's trust as you make your way into a position where you are privy to actually sensitive information and are able to actually directly influence the alliance as a whole. Some scrub spy joining on a 4 month toon and relaying fleet positions isn't going to come ******* close to winning a war.
Moe Doobie
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-11-02 00:48:36 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Depends on the corp, but for the corps running a tight ship it's actually a big deal. Spies and thieves can wreak havoc. Why take the chance? I get where they are coming from. If you have a seedy past the options do get a bit limited (I'm in the same boat). You can join a big corp or a "training/probation" corp and prove yourself, you can join a smaller up-and-coming corp and prove yourself there, then make a lat move into another corp when you are in an alliance you like, or you can touch base w/ a buddy you've flown with in the past, work for his corp until you earn a referral, and reapply. That would be how I would do it anyway... just my 2 isk.

Edit: try to put yourself into a CEO's shoes. They definitely want good new players to join. However, there are players out there that make a living stealing and spying. They play a dedicated game of trying to earn trust just to screw corps over... if you look like they do on paper, what would you expect a CEO to do? I'll tell you one almost sure-fire way to join a decent PvP corp. Fly out to their space, and just start killing them. if you kill enough of them, I'd bet they'll take you. If you just keep loosing ships, maybe that's not the corp for you anyway. Again, just my 2 isk



I DEFINITELY understand being cautious....but from my own thinking as well as the opinions of several exp players I've Spoken with checking my transactions won't show you anything. I was willing to show everything but that simply because I feel it's personal. Again yes it's a game, but it just irks me.

I order lots of....adult...things through the mail, so you have excuse my...yeah...you know??
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-11-02 00:49:04 UTC
Moe Doobie wrote:
I don't like people knowing that sort of info about me. It's none of your business what I buy and how much money I have.

They claimed it was to ensure I wasn't being funded by a main for "Awoxing" or w/e....w/e that means.




Well, if you have nothing to hide then you have no problem checking all boxes. That simple Blink

brb
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-11-02 00:49:48 UTC
Sounds like a terrible corp to join.

Try somewhere else, there's literally thouands of corps around. There's bound to be some of them that are actually the relaxed bunch of guys that you are looking for instead of paranoid space dictators.

In the end, this might have turned out well for you - do you really want to join a bunch of guys that operate like that?

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.
Moe Doobie
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-11-02 00:50:08 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Moe Doobie wrote:
Come on man, you know spies play to WIN dude.

You really think paying 30 bucks for a 90-day toon just to build up a credible history ISN'T worth billions of isk or info that will win a huge war???

Even IF the spy has to pay it (which we both know he probably wont;, the Alliance will probably pony that up,it's 30 bucks) it's still worth it. 20 bucks for plex, or 30 bucks for a toon that could net you billions???


The kinds of spies who win wars are director-level spies.

That's gonna involve a new account, several months building a believable history, and then several years getting the entire alliance's trust as you make your way into a position where you are privy to actually sensitive information and are able to actually directly influence the alliance as a whole. Some scrub spy joining on a 4 month toon and relaying fleet positions isn't going to come ******* close to winning a war.



My main is a few weeks old.

So you basically just made my point.

Why then does seeing my wallet matter, on a 2 week old toon if it takes years (according to you) to do any significant damage to an Alliance?
Moe Doobie
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-11-02 00:52:06 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Moe Doobie wrote:
I don't like people knowing that sort of info about me. It's none of your business what I buy and how much money I have.

They claimed it was to ensure I wasn't being funded by a main for "Awoxing" or w/e....w/e that means.




Well, if you have nothing to hide then you have no problem checking all boxes. That simple Blink



Ok,so go pass out your SSN tomorrow to random people.

Just post it up a Craigslist.

No?

Why not? By your logic, simply wanting to withhold information means you have something shady to hide, right?
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#27 - 2012-11-02 00:52:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Akirei Scytale
Moe Doobie wrote:

My main is a few weeks old.

So you basically just made my point.

Why then does seeing my wallet matter, on a 2 week old toon if it takes years (according to you) to do any significant damage to an Alliance?


Because all spies are annoying, as are awoxers, and keeping their numbers low saves a headache. Seriously, if you aren't doing anything shady, then what the hell do you care if someone can see your wallet? You know what the first thing a recruitment officer is going to do when looking at your wallet is? Make sure you aren't an obvious RMTer that will get the entire alliance in trouble.

Also, equating a permanent SSN to an easily-disabled API is very disingenuous.
Moe Doobie
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-11-02 00:53:31 UTC
Beckie DeLey wrote:
Sounds like a terrible corp to join.

Try somewhere else, there's literally thouands of corps around. There's bound to be some of them that are actually the relaxed bunch of guys that you are looking for instead of paranoid space dictators.

In the end, this might have turned out well for you - do you really want to join a bunch of guys that operate like that?


It's a big Alliance so I mean, time is invested in this game and you don't want people just taking your s**t....

I just don't get how that small bit of information is supposed to expose that intent.

But I will keep looking.
Moe Doobie
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-11-02 00:54:51 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Moe Doobie wrote:

My main is a few weeks old.

So you basically just made my point.

Why then does seeing my wallet matter, on a 2 week old toon if it takes years (according to you) to do any significant damage to an Alliance?


Because all spies are annoying, as are awoxers, and keeping their numbers low saves a headache. Seriously, if you aren't doing anything shady, then what the hell do you care if someone can see your wallet? You know what the first thing a recruitment officer is goign to do when looking at your wallet? Make sure you aren't an obvious RMTer that will get the entire alliance in trouble.

Also, equating a permanent SSN to an easily-disabled API is very disingenuous.



I wasn't equating the 2 pieces of information.I was simply pointing out the flaw in her logic in that

Hiding = Malicious intent.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#30 - 2012-11-02 00:55:48 UTC
Moe Doobie wrote:

Hiding = Malicious intent.


In EVE, that is a safe assumption.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#31 - 2012-11-02 01:00:22 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
Maybe if we knew who you were we could comment objectively. As it is I am just responding to yet another alt poster with too many whine threads.


You'd think with the amount of time you've spent playing this game, you'd know how to recognize a spy.

I can't be 100% sure after reading just 2 posts out of 7, but I'd say that is not the case here.


Member of TLF for nearly a month with perfect 0.0 sec status. Lol

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Moe Doobie
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-11-02 01:05:34 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Moe Doobie wrote:

Hiding = Malicious intent.


In EVE, that is a safe assumption.



I disagree.

Again. A Devoted spy will do anything to get in. A Devoted spy will KNOW what you're looking for.

Granted, the person hiding COULD also be a spy.

However since the toon with the clean cut trans history and the one who is hiding his could both be spies, what exactly, then, is the point of wanting to check the trans history to expose this intent?

We're going in circles, the earlier poster was right,some folks just take this game WAY too seriously.

Just need to find some laid back folks to play with. I'm not putting myself through a Federal Background check and I'm not joining someone's stupidass forum and sit for 3 months just to apply and play.
If that means joining a smaller Alliance/Corp then so be it.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#33 - 2012-11-02 01:10:31 UTC
Moe Doobie wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Moe Doobie wrote:

Hiding = Malicious intent.


In EVE, that is a safe assumption.



I disagree.

Again. A Devoted spy will do anything to get in. A Devoted spy will KNOW what you're looking for.

Granted, the person hiding COULD also be a spy.

However since the toon with the clean cut trans history and the one who is hiding his could both be spies, what exactly, then, is the point of wanting to check the trans history to expose this intent?

We're going in circles, the earlier poster was right,some folks just take this game WAY too seriously.

Just need to find some laid back folks to play with. I'm not putting myself through a Federal Background check and I'm not joining someone's stupidass forum and sit for 3 months just to apply and play.
If that means joining a smaller Alliance/Corp then so be it.


Your corp has required information on applications. Every single member supplies it. Then some guy comes along and refuses to share it. That is suspicious. Raises red flags.

Yes, a spy who puts in tons of time and effort is going to get in. But if you had any idea how many incompetent or lazy spies get busted by even the most basic checks, your head would probably explode. Most people are stupid and/or lazy.
Moe Doobie
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-11-02 01:13:23 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Moe Doobie wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Moe Doobie wrote:

Hiding = Malicious intent.


In EVE, that is a safe assumption.



I disagree.

Again. A Devoted spy will do anything to get in. A Devoted spy will KNOW what you're looking for.

Granted, the person hiding COULD also be a spy.

However since the toon with the clean cut trans history and the one who is hiding his could both be spies, what exactly, then, is the point of wanting to check the trans history to expose this intent?

We're going in circles, the earlier poster was right,some folks just take this game WAY too seriously.

Just need to find some laid back folks to play with. I'm not putting myself through a Federal Background check and I'm not joining someone's stupidass forum and sit for 3 months just to apply and play.
If that means joining a smaller Alliance/Corp then so be it.


Your corp has required information on applications. Every single member supplies it. Then some guy comes along and refuses to share it. That is suspicious. Raises red flags.

Yes, a spy who puts in tons of time and effort is going to get in. But if you had any idea how many incompetent or lazy spies get busted by even the most basic checks, your head would probably explode. Most people are stupid and/or lazy.


I get it. That's why I didn't hassle her. I just said thanks and moved along.

Super-Spy, right?

lol.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#35 - 2012-11-02 01:22:03 UTC
Moe Doobie wrote:

I get it. That's why I didn't hassle her. I just said thanks and moved along.

Super-Spy, right?

lol.


Then what exactly are you even complaining about? If you won't even meet basic requirements, a corp is not going to be sad they lost a sketchy applicant.
Jaison Savrin
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#36 - 2012-11-02 01:23:30 UTC
This whole discussion goes right back to my argument that Eve's biggest flaw is the people who play it. Get used to supplying your API though. Most corps require it and it is an annoying part of living in Eve.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#37 - 2012-11-02 01:29:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
I'd like to point out that if you're a highsec corp nobody you're at war with has a spy in your corp these days. Anything you can possibly be doing that is actually interesting enough to warrant a response is trivial to find out using neutral scouts and locator agents and if you have a fleet and it's in space everyone already knows what it is as soon as it forms up.

Literally the only thing useful things a spy can do is send out the absolutely hilarious alliance mails explaining how you're going to do a 'PVP OP' on Saturday which consists of like a 6 man fleet that comes and camps people who you apparently didn't notice were logged off and even if they were logged in you're sitting on the wrong side of the gate anyway plus you'll run away if you see anything more dangerous than a t1 frigate so the whole exercise is a waste of time to begin with.
Arsedestroyer
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-11-02 01:30:34 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Moe Doobie wrote:

I get it. That's why I didn't hassle her. I just said thanks and moved along.

Super-Spy, right?

lol.


Then what exactly are you even complaining about? If you won't even meet basic requirements, a corp is not going to be sad they lost a sketchy applicant.



TEST has basic requirements?

This community never ceases to amaze me.
Lysa D
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2012-11-02 01:33:27 UTC
Moe Doobie wrote:
I applied to a well known Corp/Alliance on my main, and sent their recruiter my API key. I unchecked everything that gave info on how much isk I have and my transactions. .


All spy conspiracy theories aside, some corporations want to know if you are self-sufficient and part of that is being able to fund yourself with appropriate amounts of ISK. Corporations tend to avoid people who whine "I have no ISK" or "I can't join this corp activity because I need to mission for ISK".
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#40 - 2012-11-02 01:34:53 UTC
Arsedestroyer wrote:

TEST has basic requirements?

This community never ceases to amaze me.


I didn't even mention TEST, and yes, Dreddit requires you to furnish an API and have been an active member of Reddit.

0/10.