Warfare & Tactics

My god, does NOBODY read entire posts?

--CAPITAL ONLY--

And I am, which is why I had to slice it down to 1/20,000th of mass.

Perhaps they could also develop a special type of destroyer? A rammer? Mods could include hull density plates to increase mass, capsule pre-impact ejection system etc...

Skills required: Interceptors Level V, Hull Upgrades V, Frigates V, Destroyers V etc.

I'd love this but it wouldn't be feasible on anything smaller than a capital class ship because some idiot would use this in a highsec then complain about the concordokens...


And if it hasn't be added to the idea yet, should upon contact with the shield/ship itself emit an AOE to the general area based on ship class (carrier/dread - 10 km, supercarrier - 25km, titan -45km) or something like that. Debris doesn't stop after impacting just one object. Be nice if the aoe damage degraded with range too.

oooh! I like the idea of a AoE bump. Won't really bugger up anything on a big scale but really drive home the scale of the impact. HEE HEE all those little tacklers doing Tokyo Drift.

Hrrm. You make a good point. TO THE MATHMOBILE!

Only once a day per character, but if all this babbling has come to an end, maybe we can make a coherent post on Assembly Hall as a proposal and pray like hell a GM likes it.

If they did implement collision damage, it should be for all ships, not just capitals. But then they could give you your ramming skill for caps. I figure they could just add skills like collision damage mitigation and avoidance, along with affects of shields on collision.

People talk about small ships torpedoing, but I would think that a frig running into a larger ship with adequate shielding would have most of the impact negated. They would also need to consider all of the other factors that arise with collision damage, such as station (Jita) undocking. So maybe a station buffer that prevents bump damage until you get > 0 from the station.

I've already said most of what you just said.

Also, there was an idea about a special t2 dessie that would be "optimized" for ramming. How's about instead of t2, create a second tier of destroyer that would be optimized for ramming. This would lower the cost and help make this a more effective tactic.

EDIT: El Quirko, shoot me a convo later. I want this to legitly get in Assembly Hall.

This would be awesome to see, but I have a hard time seeing it actually happen. I think that for right now, CCP is too focused on other issues to work on making collision mechanics for ships in the game. However, although I did read the original post saying caps only, this should work for every ship in the game. It should also be based on a couple of factors: Skill, Remaining HP of the ramming ship, and relative velocity of the two ships. It should be done in such a way that you cannot make any useful impact with anything smaller than a BS, and you should not be allowed to eject when you suicide ram.

Skill is obvious - everything in EVE is based on skill.

Remaining HP of the ramming ship - if you ram at full strength (I don't agree that you should have to be into armor or structure to begin ramming) then you should do more damage, as your ship is stronger and has fewer holes in it. However, keeping that in mind, you are destroying a perfectly good ship.

Relative Velocity between the two ships - If both ships are heading in the same direction, ie away from one another, then less damage should be done than if they are both headed right for one another.

As far as allowing this for all ships, I believe that is very feasible. A rifter ramming a supercap would be like a bug hitting the windshield of my car - splat. No damage (maybe 1HP?). Even a BS would not do much damage. However, if two ships of similar size hit each other, then a lot of damage would be done. Additionally, using the relative velocity between ships, it would be easy for a BS/Cruiser/frigate to get out of the way of a capitol ship and avoid getting hit.

When you commence the ramming run, you should have to be at least, say, 10km away from the target ship (for run-up time, maybe the ramming skill allows for shorter distance with more training?) and you cannot change course once you start the run. Therefore, a faster ship targeting a slower ship would have the advantage, as it would be hard to move out of the way, but if a "battlefreighter" tried to take out a cruiser, it would miss the target.

When initiating a ram, you must have at least 75% capacitor, and your cap is COMPLETELY used, regardless of how much/little you have left.

Finally, I think that once the ramming run is activated - all active modules are deactivated and offlined, any drones that are active are immediately abandoned, and the ship cannot be steered, ie you are throwing your ship like a dart at the enemy and hoping you hit. This results in two outcomes:

1. You hit the target ship and the damage is done based on skill and the above mentioned factors. Your ship is either destroyed completely and you wake in your clone, or your ship survives and:

2. You miss the target ship (or survive the impact). Your ship now maintains direction and velocity very slowly decreases. You are unable to change direction for 5 minutes. Your cap recharges at the normal rate, and you can put modules online as you get the cap that allows you to do so. Essentially, even if you ship survives the battle, it is out of commission for quite some time. This ensures that the ram is used as intended, as a suicide move against an otherwise more powerful aggressor.

Mind posting how it goes at the assembly hall? I really like where this idea is heading and would like to see the result.......bump