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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#41 - 2012-11-01 21:18:29 UTC
There is no other reason to care about anyone's AFK status.

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BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#42 - 2012-11-01 21:22:36 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Wacktopia wrote:
So basically an anti AFK cloaker thread?


A day doesn't go by that I'm not fascinated with people here so damned determined to stick their nose in other people's business. I'd say I don't get it, but it makes perfect sense to me. Me, I live my life and don't give a crap about what other people do. But others here (as evidenced on just about every game platform) have this driving need to assert some kind of control over other people's lives.

There's a name (dare I say "diagnosis"?) for that... Blink


+1000

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2012-11-01 21:32:20 UTC
Maggeridon Thoraz wrote:
may i quoute evenews :

"The nullsec player who stops doing what they’re doing just because some invisible ship is sitting in system, they should spend less time complaining, and more time feeling ashamed of themselves."

Ashamed that they don't move to another system, you mean to say?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2012-11-01 21:59:40 UTC
Thread moved from GD to F&I - ISD Type40.

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Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#45 - 2012-11-01 22:09:10 UTC
Oh how delightful!

We DO see a few of these, every so often.

Even my signature can relate to this....

Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked...
Mirima Thurander
#46 - 2012-11-01 22:26:26 UTC
If we remove local u don't even know people are there so why don't we do that then don't have to be worried if that reds afk or not.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Pipa Porto
#47 - 2012-11-02 00:13:04 UTC
Dave stark wrote:

people don't afk mine by choice, there's absolutely nothing to do while you're waiting for an asteroid to pop, there's 0 reason to be interacting with the game until your cargo is full, or your asteroid pops. that can regularly take more than 5 mins.


Funny thing is, that's exactly what miners asked for with the barge buffs.

There used to be a reason to interact with the game, and that reason for interaction resulted in record incomes for those miners who were willing to interact, but the great blubbering masses were vehemently opposed to needing to interact with the game, so there we are.

@OP. Fit up a bait ship. Your AFK cloaker will bite eventually. Or, if they're really AFK, rat normally. They're AFK, they can't hurt you. AFK Cloaking is the Counter to Local's function as a perfect intel tool. Local is the Counter to Cloaking's undetectable gank machine. You can't get rid of one without getting rid of the other unless you want to swing things wildly in favor of the defense (oh.....).

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2012-11-02 00:29:29 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
If we remove local u don't even know people are there so why don't we do that then don't have to be worried if that reds afk or not.

Oh look a slippery slope fallacy which ignores huge amounts of issues.

Excellent.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#49 - 2012-11-02 02:06:18 UTC
I'm willing to bet these 'issues' are just things you are unwilling to deal with. Much like every other thread on this subject.

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2012-11-02 02:06:54 UTC
Lets see, these afk cloaking threads usually end with, there is nothing wrong with cloaking, nerf local.
So, there is nothing wrong with cloaking, remove local and eferything will be alright

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#51 - 2012-11-02 02:52:34 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Lets see, these afk cloaking threads usually end with, there is nothing wrong with cloaking, nerf local.
So, there is nothing wrong with cloaking, remove local and eferything will be alright
Actually it's rather balanced at the moment, even though they fail to see that.
But if people want to nerf AFKing, then the local intel channel needs to be changed in order to keep balance.

I personally like the system as it is and love the addition of psychological warfare.

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Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#52 - 2012-11-02 03:16:30 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Lets see, these afk cloaking threads usually end with, there is nothing wrong with cloaking, nerf local.
So, there is nothing wrong with cloaking, remove local and eferything will be alright
Actually it's rather balanced at the moment, even though they fail to see that.
But if people want to nerf AFKing, then the local intel channel needs to be changed in order to keep balance.

I personally like the system as it is and love the addition of psychological warfare.



this basically.....

2 way street here, don't think these people mind thier alliance/corp mates doing likewise in "hostile" space. they sure as hell won't mind when one day they are the CO/recon on an important cyno run.

And I will bet they sure as hell don't mind some on the spot warp ins they get courtesy of the cloakies who when not making people emo rage...are plotting good bm's for future op warp ins. Me in a slow bs, gettting those jsut right landings....hats off to the "afk" cloaky that got them. Saves the time of readjusting position to put best dps on the pos.


Maybe I jsut got lucky. never had an afk cloaky issue. Most of cloakies running about, were not afk lol. Got some good kills killing off idiots who did not read the kb's daily to know old boy liked his arazu and and a very effective covert gang on call our tz. Most "afk" cloakies I saw....they were jsut bad at it. Liked their KM's too much. Days to weeks to months of kills in the USTZ....0 mail actvitity in the oceanic tz. I fly oceanic....so I liked them alot. Kept my system clean of corpies so scared of the cloaky they were too paralyzed to see if the mofo not even playing when we were lol.

rothmal
Vengance Inc.
#53 - 2012-11-02 03:24:35 UTC
AFK is not a problem end thread plz.
Dave stark
#54 - 2012-11-02 09:11:15 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:

people don't afk mine by choice, there's absolutely nothing to do while you're waiting for an asteroid to pop, there's 0 reason to be interacting with the game until your cargo is full, or your asteroid pops. that can regularly take more than 5 mins.


Funny thing is, that's exactly what miners asked for with the barge buffs.

There used to be a reason to interact with the game, and that reason for interaction resulted in record incomes for those miners who were willing to interact, but the great blubbering masses were vehemently opposed to needing to interact with the game, so there we are.


wrong. they didn't want a 200m ship to be blown up by a 2m ship in about 10 seconds flat. the barge buff fixed that. the barge buff had absolutely nothing to do with interaction, or lack of interaction, with the game.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2012-11-02 09:14:30 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
wrong. they didn't want a 200m ship to be blown up by a 2m ship in about 10 seconds flat. the barge buff fixed that. the barge buff had absolutely nothing to do with interaction, or lack of interaction, with the game.

What they said was that it wasn't supposed to be profitable to gank the hull itself, which it was due to salvaging often yielding something which did make it economically viable to do so.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Dave stark
#56 - 2012-11-02 11:25:34 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
wrong. they didn't want a 200m ship to be blown up by a 2m ship in about 10 seconds flat. the barge buff fixed that. the barge buff had absolutely nothing to do with interaction, or lack of interaction, with the game.

What they said was that it wasn't supposed to be profitable to gank the hull itself, which it was due to salvaging often yielding something which did make it economically viable to do so.



either way, it had **** all to do with afk mining.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2012-11-02 11:52:52 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
wrong. they didn't want a 200m ship to be blown up by a 2m ship in about 10 seconds flat. the barge buff fixed that. the barge buff had absolutely nothing to do with interaction, or lack of interaction, with the game.

What they said was that it wasn't supposed to be profitable to gank the hull itself, which it was due to salvaging often yielding something which did make it economically viable to do so.



either way, it had **** all to do with afk mining.

You're entirely correct, the buff had nothing to do with the act of not interacting with the game, and everything to do with the fact they refused to make themselves into an unprofitable thing to shoot, and instead whined until Daddy CCP fixed the boo boo for them.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#58 - 2012-11-02 12:35:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Buzzy Warstl
Nothing wrong with local. If you have jump gates you have local.

Nothing wrong with cloaking (AFK or otherwise). Interceptor lead small squads are more dangerous to nullsec ratters anyway.

Just another butthurt nullbear that can't take the stress of having someone they don't know in *their* holy system.

Nothing wrong with AFK mining either, for that matter. Just bump them off the rocks and all is good (and take their Orca can too while you're at it).

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Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#59 - 2012-11-02 14:22:51 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Lets see, these afk cloaking threads usually end with, there is nothing wrong with cloaking, nerf local.
So, there is nothing wrong with cloaking, remove local and eferything will be alright
Actually it's rather balanced at the moment, even though they fail to see that.
But if people want to nerf AFKing, then the local intel channel needs to be changed in order to keep balance.

I personally like the system as it is and love the addition of psychological warfare.

I respect Mag's blunt honesty.

Truly, AFK Cloaking is a counterforce to local chat's effect on intel gathering.

Those who hate it, actually hate it for the exact reason it exists. They are put in a position where they have "intel" they cannot use. They must either ignore it at their own risk, or become inactive.
At no point is confirmation of an actual threat available, simply the fear that they might have a cyno or other means of bringing fast PvP to bear.

Well, they liked the free intel. This is the price tag.

Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked...
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#60 - 2012-11-02 14:45:07 UTC
Another afk cloak whine? Gosh