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What happens when an alliance "wins EVE"?

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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-11-01 19:28:01 UTC
So, eventually if EVE was left alone long enough one alliance would someday take all of nullsec, in theory anyway. What would CCP do in the event that an alliance takes all of null and stabilizes as one massive blob of blues?

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Nicholas Barker
Sneaky Magic Inc.
#2 - 2012-11-01 19:29:34 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
So, eventually if EVE was left alone long enough one alliance would someday take all of nullsec, in theory anyway. What would CCP do in the event that an alliance takes all of null and stabilizes as one massive blob of blues?


Unlike real life where enemies get killed off, in eve they just lose space then reappear elsewhere. Especially the foreign language communities such as the russians, who stick together even more due to their language barrier.
Nestor II
426 Hemi Powered Mining
#3 - 2012-11-01 19:30:45 UTC
I think that happened in the Chinese server for EVE.

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Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-11-01 19:30:54 UTC
If in null is only peace left, it would be time to bring peace to highsec Big smile

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NARDAC
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-11-01 19:31:36 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
So, eventually if EVE was left alone long enough one alliance would someday take all of nullsec, in theory anyway. What would CCP do in the event that an alliance takes all of null and stabilizes as one massive blob of blues?



Then everyone in that one mega alliance will has no one to shoot because everyone is in the alliance, forcing that mega alliance to boot some corps to have people to shoots ats.
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#6 - 2012-11-01 19:34:01 UTC
In the current political climate, we'd never see a single alliance take control over the the entire map, however I believe it is fully possible that a CFC+HBC mega-coalition to achieve such a feat. It wouldn't last for long though, alliances would break away from the coalition in attempt to claim power from their own and we'd back at square one.

Bobb
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#7 - 2012-11-01 19:35:01 UTC
Is this yet another goon thread?

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-11-01 19:36:52 UTC
NARDAC wrote:
Lugia3 wrote:
So, eventually if EVE was left alone long enough one alliance would someday take all of nullsec, in theory anyway. What would CCP do in the event that an alliance takes all of null and stabilizes as one massive blob of blues?



Then everyone in that one mega alliance will has no one to shoot because everyone is in the alliance, forcing that mega alliance to boot some corps to have people to shoots ats.

They would do like they already do and set rules of engagement. Standings get set so that people can shoot each other in times of peace, it's never "everyone is blue; so no one can shoot each other". It's just more like civilized pvp within the larger group.

The guys that run null alliances understand that people want to pvp, and that if they don't have anyone to shoot they get bored, so they use DIPLOMACY to set who can shoot who when the situation arises.

And CCP wouldn't do anything if all of null was held by a single alliance. Null isn't there just for pvp, it's empire building. Low is about the only place that exists explicitly for pvp, hence the FW sytem existing there.
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-11-01 19:36:54 UTC
Den Arius wrote:
In the current political climate, we'd never see a single alliance take control over the the entire map, however I believe it is fully possible that a CFC+HBC mega-coalition to achieve such a feat. It wouldn't last for long though, alliances would break away from the coalition in attempt to claim power from their own and we'd back at square one.


That would be much more likely to happen. However, lets say that this mega-alliance stabilizes and doesn't fall apart. Would CCP ever intervene? Hypothetical scenario.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#10 - 2012-11-01 19:38:21 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
On topic: If a single alliance were to take all of New Eden, it would be catastrophic for the players. PVP is one of the major outlets for fun in EVE, if there's nobody to fight - there's no PVP - there's no fun.


Edited to remove quoting of an off-topic post - CCP Eterne

Bobb
Warp Planet6
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-11-01 19:38:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Warp Planet6
Nestor II wrote:
I think that happened in the Chinese server for EVE.


I bet it was more like a rush win or something.

Doubt that this will happen on TQ ever. Alliances come and go, coalitions form and break, friends of today are enemies tomorrow. I've seen many powerful entities break for nothing. Lotka Volterra, BoB, Northern Coalition (nodot) including MM, now NCdot and BL because of Falcon etc. Even Goons will disband some day in this way or another.
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#12 - 2012-11-01 19:39:09 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
Den Arius wrote:
In the current political climate, we'd never see a single alliance take control over the the entire map, however I believe it is fully possible that a CFC+HBC mega-coalition to achieve such a feat. It wouldn't last for long though, alliances would break away from the coalition in attempt to claim power from their own and we'd back at square one.


That would be much more likely to happen. However, lets say that this mega-alliance stabilizes and doesn't fall apart. Would CCP ever intervene? Hypothetical scenario.


I don't think they'd directly intervene, however I'm sure they'd nerf/buff or add a few mechanics to encourage the alliance to break apart.

Bobb
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-11-01 19:46:54 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
Den Arius wrote:
On topic: If a single alliance were to take all of New Eden, it would be catastrophic for the players. PVP is one of the major outlets for fun in EVE, if there's nobody to fight - there's no PVP - there's no fun.

No they wouldn't. Null is supposed to be player driven. If tomorrow everyone in null decided to create an area of space safer than high sec then they have the right to do that, it's the entire point of null.

The players decide what happens here; not CCP.

Removed quoting of a deleted post - CCP Eterne
Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-11-01 19:47:01 UTC
That is just about as likely to happen as achieving World Peace is in the next week.

This utopian hypothetical is irrational. You will never find that many pilots, corps and alliances to agree to the same agenda and bow down to one ideology. In a room with just 2 people the odds of even them agreeing is still only 50/50. There will always be at least one individual who rebels against the status quo and others will agree with him, forming an opposition. It's a human characteristic.

Even the largest coalitions in EvE have a minimal footprint that can be ignored entirely by players if they so choose. However, in a world where your situation happens, CCP would just create more systems... They could do that since they would be pulling in $1 Trillion a month with the amount of subscriptions needed just to fill out just nullsec.
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#15 - 2012-11-01 19:49:07 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Den Arius wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Den Arius wrote:
In the current political climate, we'd never see a single alliance take control over the the entire map, however I believe it is fully possible that a CFC+HBC mega-coalition to achieve such a feat. It wouldn't last for long though, alliances would break away from the coalition in attempt to claim power from their own and we'd back at square one.

You haven't been banned again yet? CCP is slow this time.


I've been given permission to make new accounts. Please stop pestering with this off-topic garbage.

On topic: If a single alliance were to take all of New Eden, it would be catastrophic for the players. PVP is one of the major outlets for fun in EVE, if there's nobody to fight - there's no PVP - there's no fun.

No they wouldn't. Null is supposed to be player driven. If tomorrow everyone in null decided to create an area of space safer than high sec then they have the right to do that, it's the entire point of null.

The players decide what happens here; not CCP.


If there was a lack of PVP, I am sure CCP would do something to stimulate PVP. This "win eve" situation would be a failure of the in game mechanics (null sec was designed for permanent conflict ). When nobody was using FW, CCP didn't just ignore that - they stimulated the stats and mechanics to encourage people to get involved. The exact same thing would happen in the scenario that the OP is describing.

Bobb
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-11-01 19:50:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
Lugia3 wrote:
Den Arius wrote:
In the current political climate, we'd never see a single alliance take control over the the entire map, however I believe it is fully possible that a CFC+HBC mega-coalition to achieve such a feat. It wouldn't last for long though, alliances would break away from the coalition in attempt to claim power from their own and we'd back at square one.


That would be much more likely to happen. However, lets say that this mega-alliance stabilizes and doesn't fall apart. Would CCP ever intervene? Hypothetical scenario.


Why is the question "will CCP intervene"? Why aren't you asking, "will other people intervene"? Why should CCP get involved when literally everybody else in EVE is too incompetent to take on a single alliance? Hypothetical scenario of course.
Robert De'Arneth
#17 - 2012-11-01 19:57:34 UTC
CCP would hand out turrets that shoot pie.

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Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-11-01 19:58:45 UTC
it's impossible to win eve
Hans Zwaardhandler
Resilience.
The Initiative.
#19 - 2012-11-01 21:37:55 UTC
There will never be one entire entity made up of blues; we've already seen that the HBC and CFC do not get along, even though TEST and the Goons are allied with one another. Even though they were blue, that didn't stop some Tribal Band forces and others from downing a Goon titan for fun. Solar's coalition as well was rather fractured, as Solar was blue with Gypsy Band, ED, and others, but Gypsy has fractured away and started shooting more at Solar, and continuing their aggression against their pets.

So essentially, you can't win Eve; human nature will just tear it all apart.
Sarmea Moon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-11-01 21:46:29 UTC
CCP has already acted- territory bills anyone? No, they aren't expensive, but it creates a blue environment scenario rather than a single alliance scenario.

BoB had a "butthurt" director that "accidentally" his alliance. Goonies would rush to do the same thing, for "teh lulz".

CCP won't directly intervene, but I don't doubt they'll introduce more goodies to entice people to move. Right now, large swaths of nullsec are sparsely to non-populated. Some of it doesn't have even have sov. *shrug*

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