Warfare & Tactics

Hans as you know soon after inferno came out an alliance mate of yours, susan black, started complaining that she felt minmatar were being punished for winning too much. Specifically she wrote several blogs to support her notion that minmatar should be able to farm lp even after they take a system through defensive plexing.

Of course, as you know, the comments to her blog had certain amarr and other explaining that the “no lp for defensive plexing” was one of the few mechanics that provided any sort of balance under inferno.

You chose to side with your alliance mate, in spreading the view that winners were being punished too much. Here is a quote from your blog:


Ok now you have pushed your alliance mates request through and rewards for defensive plexing have been implemented.

But as amarr I still feel that inferno really did not “punish the winners too much.” In fact I still think if anything it was too unbalanced in their favor. But I try to be objective on such matters. So I ask:

Q 1: Could you please ask ccp to provide the actual data on how much isk worth of items the minmatar received from the lp store and how much the amarr received from the time inferno was implemented until the time these new rules were implemented?

Of course you might already have these numbers, after all, I’m sure you were trying to be objective in reaching the conclusions you did before you recommended changes. If so please share them. I think then we could all draw our own opinions as to whether the minmatar were really being “punished for winning.”

During your campaign you were very clear that you only wanted economic rewards that would not ubalance the war. But at some point after you were elected you decided there did not need to be any economic balance at all. You decided people will join the side that is economically foolish to play for because of some vague notion of better pvp.

Here is what you said, after you were elected, about the new pay scale that you successfully requested ccp implement:


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1882291#post1882291

So my questions are this:

Q 2: What made you decide to change your position on this matter?

Also In game it shows that minmatar have about 10,000 players and the amarr have about 6000. This is by far the biggest disparity that ever existed until inferno. (I won’t even go into the huge number of corps and alliances that left amarr yet no major entity left minmatar)

Q 3: Do you think there is something other than economics that explains this gap?

Q 4: Might you reconsider you position on this? If so how long do you want to give this notion that people will choose less isk due to some vague notion they might get more pvp? In other words when can we expect to see this gap close?

I would not be surprised if Hans ignores the questions claiming that they are somehow "unfair." But they are simply questions based on what he has said.

You are from his alliance so clearly you have better insights as to your boy's view. Please like I said feel free to answer the questions yourself if you think you know.


edit: I suppose you might think even the question that simply asks for data on how much the minmatar made from inferno versus the amarr is unfair. Or would you at least agree its not unfair that we ask to consider the data?

I don't have any special insight, nor would I presume to speak for anyone. Hans would have every right to ignore you, since you keep publicly accusing him of impropriety. Why can't you be a gentlemen and have a one on one chat with Hans to get whatever this sh*t is off your chest?

Who are these many people? You and that fruitcake, Damar? hehe

It would have all gone to the winning side so it would still be a good measure if the winning side was being punished too much. The fact that other militias put alts in the winning side to get isk would only prove that the game was too lopsided.

Cearain - you lose so much of your argument because of the way you phrase it.....

Your a smart guy, you ask some very good questions, and i know for a fact you have a passion for FW and PVP (all these are great things to my mind and exactly what FW need!) but please, please, please try and drop the snide stuff.

Its a space game. A computer game, that we all play, based in space, where we are all flying around in little spaceships shooting at each other.

Lighten up!

Your memory fails you. No such post was made.

Beside that what is your point? That the winning side was being punished so badly that even the opposing militia was rolling alts to cash in? That hardly seems proof to support Han's and Susans claim that we need to address the fact that minmatar were being punished for winning too much.

After this set of rule changes I am no longer going to play this computer game involving fw occupancy. Which was the only part of eve that ever really interested me. So yeah I care about eve enough to ask a few questions of the guy who decided to kill the game off for me.

To the extent any amarr continue in the occupancy war they are just lining the minmatar pockets. These rules are too slanted. No amarr should continue with this part of the war effort unless they want to help the minmatar make isk.

Our best bet economically is just to let the minmatar take all the systems and treat the game like we did preinferno. Sure minmatar will make isk taking the systems but then the bleeding will stop. The quicker we can stop the bleeding the sooner we can move on to the new normal which should be to ignore occupancy.

If they keep this stupid tier system for missions amarr (and every militia) should just roll minmatar alts to run the missions.

Uhhh yes. This giant gap is formed not by economics but by idiots, idiots like you. You idiots come to the forum going on and on about how if you want to be rich you need an alt in the minmatar militia. All the blind sheeple lead by the blind forum idiots join the minmatar militia because they are told to. In reality Minmatar militia is the worse militia for a farmer, you make significantly less isk per hour in minmatar militia than any other. Look how much more amarr faction ships and datacores are than minmatar. Especially now that implants aren't that profitable without the T5 cost reduction. With so few places for a minmatar to plex, you can usually expect to have to fight for you plex. Other militia's can get in a gunless frig and find a out of the way system, minmatars cannot.

You want to close the gap between minmatar and amarr, quit misleading people and telling them if you want to be rich you need to join minmatar militia. If Amarr militia would quit sucking ( I know its hard to fight one's nature) enough to get and hold T3 it would be way way more profitable to be amarr than minmatar.

I didn't mean to imply you posted with an alt, but that you profited on Minnie t5 via an alt.

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