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Legit Question: Why do you post with an alt?

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#101 - 2012-11-01 20:00:51 UTC
Bud Austrene wrote:
Maybe I should ask. What is the value of posting on one of my mains?
What is to gain?

Name recognition and its benefits. For example, if I comment on balance in frigate PvP as myself, I have the fact I'm the CEO of a successful frigate PvP corp, plus my killboard (as it may be) backing my arguments up. If I made the same argument using an alt, my credibility would be greatly decreased because of "who the heck is this guy and what qualifies him to whine about the state of the Rifter?"

It also provides a more "holistic" experience of Eve, for lack of a better word. Why isolate different ways to play if not doing so only enhances the experience? Yes, I am counting possible hostile reactions as "enhancement", because Eve is all about conflict. I have alts that I use for things my main simply cannot do (e.g. hisec hauling/trading, running an unbiased gambling operation, etc), but those are last resorts for things I'd love to do on my main, but simply can't.

So, while you ask "what is the value of posting on a main", some instead ask "what is the value of not posting on a main, and how does it compensate for the value lost?"

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Reticle
Sight Picture
#102 - 2012-11-01 20:02:27 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
Reticle wrote:
Dumb question.

I have a question for you: do you use out of corp scout alts? Why? Same reason of course. You want to fool your enemies. You don't want them to know who you are until the last possible moment before you destroy them.



No, I scout on my main.

Because the tactic you have mentioned is so predictable, anyone seeing a "neutral" in system in an NPC corp is going to be suspicious. Especially as that person will be all the way in null without any friends or help etc. So if you see someone hanging around you should be taking note of it anyway.

Spying is different, because it's hard not to get caught if I'm just like "hai guise, can i join ur corp?"


Personally I think that the argument of "of course they want to avoid retribution for being an ass" is a poor one. How about don't be an ass in the first place? Or at least, don't be an ass to anyone who can ruin your day?

You scout with your main because an alt might make people suspicious that someone might be hunting them? That makes no sense. You use the alt so that they have zero intel on what's coming for them. You show up and they know everything there is to know, including your favorite fits, friends, etc. Random dude you take note of and do the various things you do to stay alert, but a famous hot dropping corp scoout comes in and you get the hell out now. Why would anyone tip their hand if they didn't have to? What kind of tactical thinking is that?
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#103 - 2012-11-01 20:12:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Inquisitor Kitchner
Petrus Blackshell wrote:

It also provides a more "holistic" experience of Eve, for lack of a better word


This guy used the word "hollistic" correctly. He is a good poster.

Reticle wrote:

You scout with your main because an alt might make people suspicious that someone might be hunting them? That makes no sense. You use the alt so that they have zero intel on what's coming for them. You show up and they know everything there is to know, including your favorite fits, friends, etc. Random dude you take note of and do the various things you do to stay alert, but a famous hot dropping corp scoout comes in and you get the hell out now. Why would anyone tip their hand if they didn't have to? What kind of tactical thinking is that?



I'm ratting, and random scrub comes into system, I dock up.

I'm ratting and uber elite PvP scout comes into system, I dock up.


Me and a gang are there and a random guy comes into the system. It's some random scrub. We try to kill him.

Me and a gang are there and a uber elite PvP scout comes into system, we try to kill him.


Why would you ever do anything different? If you think "hur hur lol he's an npc scrub, we can take him boys" you deserve to die. It's a sodding obvious tactic to use a "neutral" alt to scout, so why would you ever assume it's not some guy who's going hot drop the crap out of you?

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#104 - 2012-11-01 20:14:10 UTC
Guys,

Is it impossible to discuss this without reverting to base language and name calling ?

Please be constructive.

[b]ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]
MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
#105 - 2012-11-01 20:16:42 UTC
Because of the ISDs.
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#106 - 2012-11-01 20:18:17 UTC
MinefieldS wrote:
Because of the ISDs.


They always get their man.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Bud Austrene
Secure Haven
#107 - 2012-11-01 20:30:18 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Bud Austrene wrote:
Maybe I should ask. What is the value of posting on one of my mains?
What is to gain?

Name recognition and its benefits. For example, if I comment on balance in frigate PvP as myself, I have the fact I'm the CEO of a successful frigate PvP corp, plus my killboard (as it may be) backing my arguments up. If I made the same argument using an alt, my credibility would be greatly decreased because of "who the heck is this guy and what qualifies him to whine about the state of the Rifter?"

It also provides a more "holistic" experience of Eve, for lack of a better word. Why isolate different ways to play if not doing so only enhances the experience? Yes, I am counting possible hostile reactions as "enhancement", because Eve is all about conflict. I have alts that I use for things my main simply cannot do (e.g. hisec hauling/trading, running an unbiased gambling operation, etc), but those are last resorts for things I'd love to do on my main, but simply can't.

So, while you ask "what is the value of posting on a main", some instead ask "what is the value of not posting on a main, and how does it compensate for the value lost?"


I have no desire to whine about anything in eve, and i plan to adapt to whatever changes CCP makes.
I like eve alot just the way it is. I doubt that i will ever need to impress someone with my reputation or accomplishments.
I do not see any reason in trying.

Yes I am an alt. I see no reason to make it easy for bullies and greifers

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#108 - 2012-11-01 20:33:25 UTC
Bud Austrene wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Bud Austrene wrote:
Maybe I should ask. What is the value of posting on one of my mains?
What is to gain?

Name recognition and its benefits. For example, if I comment on balance in frigate PvP as myself, I have the fact I'm the CEO of a successful frigate PvP corp, plus my killboard (as it may be) backing my arguments up. If I made the same argument using an alt, my credibility would be greatly decreased because of "who the heck is this guy and what qualifies him to whine about the state of the Rifter?"

It also provides a more "holistic" experience of Eve, for lack of a better word. Why isolate different ways to play if not doing so only enhances the experience? Yes, I am counting possible hostile reactions as "enhancement", because Eve is all about conflict. I have alts that I use for things my main simply cannot do (e.g. hisec hauling/trading, running an unbiased gambling operation, etc), but those are last resorts for things I'd love to do on my main, but simply can't.

So, while you ask "what is the value of posting on a main", some instead ask "what is the value of not posting on a main, and how does it compensate for the value lost?"


I have no desire to whine about anything in eve, and i plan to adapt to whatever changes CCP makes.
I like eve alot just the way it is. I doubt that i will ever need to impress someone with my reputation or accomplishments.
I do not see any reason in trying.

*shrug*

Then you're fine with an alt and all of the "omg alt poster" rage is not really aimed at you. Play the way you want: you want to alt post? Go for it!

On a different note, that "-----" you include in your post always makes your post look like you empty quoted, and your actual post is a forum signature. It's very disconcerting.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#109 - 2012-11-01 20:35:47 UTC
This is my main, hello.
I don't care whether someone posts with their main or alt.
I understand if someone decides to post with an alt because they don't want to be attacked in-game if it is a hot subject. Getting flamed on the forums is not something all people can handle without taking it personal. So some post with alts.
People stalk others in rl and ingame. So if they feel the need to protect themselves from that more power to them.

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
Ryhss
#110 - 2012-11-01 20:38:25 UTC
I don't post with an alt. This is my main

I just turned into an egg, did I level up? I spent an hour trying to salvage a wreck, when in local a guy said "Stop it, this is my Tempest, I was AFK"
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#111 - 2012-11-01 20:47:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarvos Telesto
Tarvos telesto - Alt
Oxylan- Main
Cloned s0ul - ex alt (sold in character basar) i use this ex alt like 3 month ago a lot on forum.

I have no idea why, well what difirence betwen alts or main if both accounts are like 5 or more years old. Somtime i dont feel who is my main or alt, somtime i use more alts with less sp in game than my main with 90+mil sp, and same in forum, maybe beause lonin and password form my alts are shorter than main and is faster to login...

Maybe people love to grind likes ? i have no idea why people use alts in forum, personaly i dont care if somone use alt here.

Most importand for me is what people posts here, not who post here.

EvE isn't game, its style of living.
Bud Austrene
Secure Haven
#112 - 2012-11-01 20:48:19 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Bud Austrene wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Bud Austrene wrote:
Maybe I should ask. What is the value of posting on one of my mains?
What is to gain?

Name recognition and its benefits. For example, if I comment on balance in frigate PvP as myself, I have the fact I'm the CEO of a successful frigate PvP corp, plus my killboard (as it may be) backing my arguments up. If I made the same argument using an alt, my credibility would be greatly decreased because of "who the heck is this guy and what qualifies him to whine about the state of the Rifter?"

It also provides a more "holistic" experience of Eve, for lack of a better word. Why isolate different ways to play if not doing so only enhances the experience? Yes, I am counting possible hostile reactions as "enhancement", because Eve is all about conflict. I have alts that I use for things my main simply cannot do (e.g. hisec hauling/trading, running an unbiased gambling operation, etc), but those are last resorts for things I'd love to do on my main, but simply can't.

So, while you ask "what is the value of posting on a main", some instead ask "what is the value of not posting on a main, and how does it compensate for the value lost?"


I have no desire to whine about anything in eve, and i plan to adapt to whatever changes CCP makes.
I like eve alot just the way it is. I doubt that i will ever need to impress someone with my reputation or accomplishments.
I do not see any reason in trying.

*shrug*

Then you're fine with an alt and all of the "omg alt poster" rage is not really aimed at you. Play the way you want: you want to alt post? Go for it!

On a different note, that "-----" you include in your post always makes your post look like you empty quoted, and your actual post is a forum signature. It's very disconcerting.


Thank you for the advise and the permission.
By the way i do read your blog from time to time and find it interesting.

Yes I am an alt. I see no reason to make it easy for bullies and greifers

Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#113 - 2012-11-01 21:28:30 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:


Is it because you fear retribution (lol) for your opinions? Why do you think everyone dislikes your opinions?



Close. People who post a lot on the forums have a tendency to be primaried and convo spamed and evemail spammed and estalked and whatnot. It has nothing to do with opinions, it has to do with people wanting fame from killing a popular poster or people just being haters.

I don't see what the problem is with forum alts. Using an alt ingame for scamming or spying or logistics to hide who your main is - that's totally cool but you do the same thing on the forums and suddenly that's a totally different thing that we should get rid of.
TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#114 - 2012-11-01 21:53:50 UTC
Main got banned from posting while fighting for forum freedom.

"We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#115 - 2012-11-01 22:08:38 UTC
So you were the one making those threads.

Oh god.
ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#116 - 2012-11-01 22:21:10 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:

ISD TYPE40 wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Pro tip: This doesn't actually happen.


I beg to differ. I have experienced this personally. And where there is one case, there are bound to be others. That is one of the wonderful things about EVE, everything has a consequence eventually Twisted

Are you sure the posting was the primary reason for the dec, or was it just a "face" reason (while the real reason was something else)? I've been part of wars before that were theoretically for ideologic reasons or being "offended", but were in fact just about wanting good fights.




I am plenty certain. It was made quite clear that the reason for the in-game aggression was due to my having a vastly differing opinion on a specific subject, and because not only had I stated as much, but that I had refused to "back down".

The discussion on the forums was amicable and lacked a lot of the usual vitriol and e-peen waving usually associated with certain topics, however it seems that the act of opposition itself was enough to engender a longing for retribution in the other person.

As I already stated, everything in EVE has a consequence and that some are more readily apparent than others. Frankly I would not wish it to be any other way. Twisted

[b]ISD Type40 Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]
Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#117 - 2012-11-01 23:18:48 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:


Just curious to see why there are people out there who post on here with a forum alt, as I genuinely don't know why you would want to hide who you are.



I don't post with an alt. people just can't believe there is someone willing to play Eve and not be one of the corpy sheep.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#118 - 2012-11-01 23:20:47 UTC
ISD TYPE40 wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:

ISD TYPE40 wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Pro tip: This doesn't actually happen.


I beg to differ. I have experienced this personally. And where there is one case, there are bound to be others. That is one of the wonderful things about EVE, everything has a consequence eventually Twisted

Are you sure the posting was the primary reason for the dec, or was it just a "face" reason (while the real reason was something else)? I've been part of wars before that were theoretically for ideologic reasons or being "offended", but were in fact just about wanting good fights.




I am plenty certain. It was made quite clear that the reason for the in-game aggression was due to my having a vastly differing opinion on a specific subject, and because not only had I stated as much, but that I had refused to "back down".

The discussion on the forums was amicable and lacked a lot of the usual vitriol and e-peen waving usually associated with certain topics, however it seems that the act of opposition itself was enough to engender a longing for retribution in the other person.

As I already stated, everything in EVE has a consequence and that some are more readily apparent than others. Frankly I would not wish it to be any other way. Twisted


Huh. I learned something new today. I hereby endeavor to be more argumentative so more people shoot me.

No, really, I didn't think retaliation like that was a thing. Fascinating.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Apollo-Moor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#119 - 2012-11-01 23:22:11 UTC
Dey scurred...
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#120 - 2012-11-02 02:19:58 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:


Is it because you fear retribution (lol) for your opinions? Why do you think everyone dislikes your opinions?



Close. People who post a lot on the forums have a tendency to be primaried and convo spamed and evemail spammed and estalked and whatnot. It has nothing to do with opinions, it has to do with people wanting fame from killing a popular poster or people just being haters.

I don't see what the problem is with forum alts. Using an alt ingame for scamming or spying or logistics to hide who your main is - that's totally cool but you do the same thing on the forums and suddenly that's a totally different thing that we should get rid of.



I really can't see myself ever war deccing someone or harassing them for having a different opinion. I mean I'd potentially do it if they were putting their opinion across like a total arse, but that's not what they are saying but how they are saying it.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli