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ECM ships should be nerfed.
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Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#41 - 2012-11-11 13:18:14 UTC
ECM only jams someone from jamming your ship so they're quite capable of switching target.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

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It'sNotMyFaultYourMother ThrewYouAway
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2012-11-11 13:38:21 UTC
Moonlit Raid wrote:
ECM only jams someone from jamming your ship so they're quite capable of switching target.


WTF kind of bullshit is this? If you're jammed by ECM, you can't target anything period.
It'sNotMyFaultYourMother ThrewYouAway
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-11-11 13:58:59 UTC
Meh, ECM jam chance could simply be based on the amount of ships targetted. Basically increasing the base sensor strength of all ships and if splitting the sensor strength in between them. That way if you're currently attempting to target more then one person or have one more then one person targetted. Perhaps even having a sensor strength pool would work, subtracting an amount from it based on your own scan resolution compared to the enemies signature radius. For instance target a frigate with a battleship = High chance to get jammed up, target a battleship with a frigate = low chance to get jammed up.

This way the presence of an ECM ship would simply mean that you had to decrease your own effectiveness by having to spend more time swapping targets and untargetting ships you don't intend to fire at. For instance you couldn't just simply target the entire enemy fleet at the same time and swap targets at will. You would have to choose 1 or 2 of them, making the fight more predictable for the enemy fleets logistics. Also a logistics cruiser would have to choose between having a high chance to get jammed and beeing able to respond instantly to someone taking damage. Or not targetting anyone, beeing unjammable and starting when someone takes a hit. Or just focusing on one or two targets that are more likely to get primaried then others.
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#44 - 2012-11-11 17:06:09 UTC
It'sNotMyFaultYourMother ThrewYouAway wrote:
Moonlit Raid wrote:
ECM only jams someone from jamming your ship so they're quite capable of switching target.


WTF kind of bullshit is this? If you're jammed by ECM, you can't target anything period.

A suggestion.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

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Freundliches Feuer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-11-11 18:44:15 UTC
nerf ecm, nerf drakes, nerf tengu, NERF EVERYTHING. So then we can all go and mine.
It'sNotMyFaultYourMother ThrewYouAway
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2012-11-11 19:49:04 UTC
Freundliches Feuer wrote:
nerf ecm, nerf drakes, nerf tengu, NERF EVERYTHING. So then we can all go and mine.


Nerf veldspar!
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#47 - 2012-11-11 22:22:37 UTC
Freundliches Feuer wrote:
nerf ecm, nerf drakes, nerf tengu, NERF EVERYTHING. So then we can all go and mine.


The Drake would need a buff in that case... it has no turrets.

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Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
#48 - 2012-11-12 13:55:46 UTC
A Curse with 1 ECCM fitted will bring forth the tears of a Falcon pilot Blink

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Robert Lefcourt
BigPoppaMonkeys
E.B.O.L.A.
#49 - 2012-11-12 14:12:47 UTC
Mistress Lilu wrote:

Say I am flying a hurri, which does around 600dps, being jammed for 10 seconds is alot of dps.


And how much damage does the Falcon pilot do in 10 secs? He can't jam you into your pod, you know? It's just a ship that disables you instead of blow your ******* brains out with $guns. It all boils down to proper fleet composition. If the enemy brings falcons, bring Arazus/Lachesis. Damp has a 100% chance, not like the unreliable jammers. To be effective, the Falcon will then have to come in close range, where you don't want to be with a tank as thin as paper.


regards,

rob
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-11-12 15:27:10 UTC
Robert Lefcourt wrote:
Mistress Lilu wrote:

Say I am flying a hurri, which does around 600dps, being jammed for 10 seconds is alot of dps.


And how much damage does the Falcon pilot do in 10 secs?



300-400 dps depending on fit/heat/balls of steel status of pilot (who will be sitting on a 8-9k EHP wet paper bag about 3km from the 'cane).

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Iyacia Cyric'ai
Lai Dai Counterintelligence
#51 - 2012-11-13 02:49:04 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
I think ECM should stop being a Caldari specialization. Rather each race should have ECM bonuses for their racial enemy's ships:

Minmatar get Radar ECM bonuses
Gallente get Gravimetric ECM bonuses
Caldari get Megnetometric ECM bonuses
Amarr get Ladar ECM bonuses

As for the other forms of EW, simply give each race a different way to make use of it:

Caldari: EW Optimal (not ECM)
Gallente: EW Cap Use
Amarr: EW Duration
Minmatar: EW Falloff

This would affect all TP, RSD, TDs, etc.

ECM would have similar bonuses on all current EW ships.

This makes ECM less about spamming Falcons and more about actual tactical target counter jamming

The only major change to ships needed for this to work is a remastery of the Scorpion. Ideas on how to handle that are many. My thought is make it like the old Typhoon with 8 hi slots, and a hybrid damage bonus and a missile RoF bonus 4/4 turret/launcher split. Remove two midslots. Increase fittings 40%.

If that's the case then Sensor Damps shouldn't be a Gallante thing, Target Painting shouldn't be a Minmatar thing and Tracking Disruptors shouldn't be an Amarr thing.

Alternatively, just do what everyone else does - cross train.
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-11-15 17:35:01 UTC
Nerf the falcon to its proper place, and not an OP ship. Everyone knows ecm is overpowered.
CCP needs to fix the problem.
And maybe, maybe, CCP should sit and think of how they can better solo pvp while at it.
Myrkala
Royal Robot Ponies
#53 - 2012-11-15 17:57:55 UTC
Nobody remembers Falcons jamming from 200km?
Ashterothi
The Order of Thelemic Ascension
The Invited
#54 - 2012-11-15 18:38:31 UTC
Freundliches Feuer wrote:
nerf ecm, nerf drakes, nerf tengu, NERF EVERYTHING. So then we can all go and mine.

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Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#55 - 2012-11-16 12:31:44 UTC
ECM drones are about the only problem right now. The intended changes to ECM are a good way of countering it - although having the skills being racial makes no sense. Should be 1x rank 5 skill, not 4x rank 3/
Kn1v3s 999
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-11-17 12:34:30 UTC
Broken mechanic.
The range nerf was bullshit.
Nerf to the doom falcons and ecm drones.
Rook is ok, since you will find the faggotry in scan/grid and you will not engage the baddies
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#57 - 2012-11-17 16:00:47 UTC
Iyacia Cyric'ai wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
I think ECM should stop being a Caldari specialization. Rather each race should have ECM bonuses for their racial enemy's ships:

Minmatar get Radar ECM bonuses
Gallente get Gravimetric ECM bonuses
Caldari get Megnetometric ECM bonuses
Amarr get Ladar ECM bonuses

As for the other forms of EW, simply give each race a different way to make use of it:

Caldari: EW Optimal (not ECM)
Gallente: EW Cap Use
Amarr: EW Duration
Minmatar: EW Falloff

This would affect all TP, RSD, TDs, etc.

ECM would have similar bonuses on all current EW ships.

This makes ECM less about spamming Falcons and more about actual tactical target counter jamming

The only major change to ships needed for this to work is a remastery of the Scorpion. Ideas on how to handle that are many. My thought is make it like the old Typhoon with 8 hi slots, and a hybrid damage bonus and a missile RoF bonus 4/4 turret/launcher split. Remove two midslots. Increase fittings 40%.

If that's the case then Sensor Damps shouldn't be a Gallante thing, Target Painting shouldn't be a Minmatar thing and Tracking Disruptors shouldn't be an Amarr thing.


That was my intention.

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