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ECM ships should be nerfed.
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Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-11-01 01:40:35 UTC
I posted this topic before and it got locked.
The reason why i feel ecm boats should be nerfed is because they are way way overpowered.
A good skilled falcon pilot can perma jam at over 50km. I have been in fights(not with this toon) where a falcon is jamming over 90 to 110km.
If this is a game of pvp, the pvp should be balanced.
Lets take a look at nuets. A person could nuet you out, but if you are in the right ships, your weapons do not need the cap to run and you still do dps. Scared of being scrammed, use afterburner and so forth.
Use Eccm you say, that stuff does not work, and if the falcon pilot has two ecm for your ship, you are still jammed up to 10 seconds or more.
Flew a cyclone with eccm and jackal implants in one fight and still got jammed.
How is this fair
Say I am flying a hurri, which does around 600dps, being jammed for 10 seconds is alot of dps.
Why not make it so that when a falcon perma jamms or jams over x amount of seconds, it will have the chance of self destructing.
Either nerf ecm boats or give more power to eccm, or have a special midslot for eccm.
TheTrue Acolyte
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-11-01 01:43:29 UTC
Mistress Lilu wrote:
I posted this topic before and it got locked.


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GoonWaffe
#3 - 2012-11-01 01:45:05 UTC
TheTrue Acolyte wrote:
Mistress Lilu wrote:
I posted this topic before and it got locked.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

Posting on General Discussion and expecting to get what you want.

While not a miner. Tsk.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-11-01 01:48:34 UTC
I used to fly a falcon, back before they got nerfed

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#5 - 2012-11-01 01:55:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
haha you think Eve should be fair?

sorry to disillusion you but the only fair fights in Eve are the ones you win.

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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#6 - 2012-11-01 02:06:05 UTC
I think ECM should stop being a Caldari specialization. Rather each race should have ECM bonuses for their racial enemy's ships:

Minmatar get Radar ECM bonuses
Gallente get Gravimetric ECM bonuses
Caldari get Megnetometric ECM bonuses
Amarr get Ladar ECM bonuses

As for the other forms of EW, simply give each race a different way to make use of it:

Caldari: EW Optimal (not ECM)
Gallente: EW Cap Use
Amarr: EW Duration
Minmatar: EW Falloff

This would affect all TP, RSD, TDs, etc.

ECM would have similar bonuses on all current EW ships.

This makes ECM less about spamming Falcons and more about actual tactical target counter jamming

The only major change to ships needed for this to work is a remastery of the Scorpion. Ideas on how to handle that are many. My thought is make it like the old Typhoon with 8 hi slots, and a hybrid damage bonus and a missile RoF bonus 4/4 turret/launcher split. Remove two midslots. Increase fittings 40%.

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Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-11-01 02:33:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Rordan D'Kherr
New and exciting topic!


No afk cloaking tears today, let's cry about ECM again?

pro tip: forum search

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2012-11-01 02:36:54 UTC
Why would you want to nerf CCP Falcon?

Hes one of the more chatty blue bars.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-11-01 02:42:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
ECCM - You're just doing it wrong.

Have you ever noticed how a Falcon has a skill bonus to ECM usage? That makes it particularly useful for ECM. So if you're going to fight one, expect ECM.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#10 - 2012-11-01 02:50:33 UTC
Nerf the ECM AFK Cloakers in Tengu's, naow! Roll

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Risien Drogonne
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-11-01 04:12:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Risien Drogonne
Val'Dore wrote:
I think ECM should stop being a Caldari specialization. Rather each race should have ECM bonuses for their racial enemy's ships:

Minmatar get Radar ECM bonuses
Gallente get Gravimetric ECM bonuses
Caldari get Megnetometric ECM bonuses
Amarr get Ladar ECM bonuses

As for the other forms of EW, simply give each race a different way to make use of it:

Caldari: EW Optimal (not ECM)
Gallente: EW Cap Use
Amarr: EW Duration
Minmatar: EW Falloff

This would affect all TP, RSD, TDs, etc.

ECM would have similar bonuses on all current EW ships.

This makes ECM less about spamming Falcons and more about actual tactical target counter jamming

The only major change to ships needed for this to work is a remastery of the Scorpion. Ideas on how to handle that are many. My thought is make it like the old Typhoon with 8 hi slots, and a hybrid damage bonus and a missile RoF bonus 4/4 turret/launcher split. Remove two midslots. Increase fittings 40%.

There's nothing tactical about having to put up with pure 100% chance on whether your ship can ever contribute to the fight or not. "Tactical" implies meaningful choice and adaptation, not showing up in the wrong ship that can't contribute at all.

ECM has already been nerfed. It's fine.
Risien Drogonne
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-11-01 04:13:33 UTC
Double post
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#13 - 2012-11-01 04:26:31 UTC
Risien Drogonne wrote:

There's nothing tactical about having to put up with pure 100% chance on whether your ship can ever contribute to the fight or not. "Tactical" implies meaningful choice and adaptation, not showing up in the wrong ship that can't contribute at all.


There's no such thing as 100% chance to jam; having flown ECM boats with very good skills, I can attest to that fact.

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Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#14 - 2012-11-01 04:27:25 UTC
TheTrue Acolyte wrote:
Mistress Lilu wrote:
I posted this topic before and it got locked.


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Also, quoting for great justice, er, truth.

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Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#15 - 2012-11-01 04:44:49 UTC
I haven't seen one of these threads in a while...
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Okay, I'm good.
Battlingbean
Wings of the Dark Portal
#16 - 2012-11-01 12:36:13 UTC
First of all, 100% jam is possible if jam strength > target's sensor strength. Although that is rare in practice.

Second ECM absolutely should not be given to all races. The other three races all get 2 other forms of electronic warfare each.

Amarr: Tracking disruption and energy nos/neut
Minmatar: Target Painting and webbing
Gallente: Sensor damping and warp jamming

Caldari gets ECM which must be as good as it is since Ewar modules take up mid slots so the other races can fit decent armor tanks while ECM ships can fit pretty much just an armor plate for protection.
To the OP: I suggest flying ships with naturally high sensor strength such as Electronic warfare ships. Ever tried to jam another falcon? It's actually pretty hard and a Curse will eat a falcon for breakfast.
Abyssum Invocat
Yet Another Tax Haven
#17 - 2012-11-02 16:26:14 UTC
Buff Falcon, nerf whiners.
Ginger Barbarella
#18 - 2012-11-02 18:55:09 UTC
*checks calendar*

Yup, it's about time for another anti-ECM whine thread.

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Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#19 - 2012-11-02 19:20:46 UTC
Funny story. Take a look in F&I.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168820&find=unread

Your idea is bad.

But they do dislike the binary nature of ECM, or so I hear. And they do have plans to change up EWar in general... but nobody really knows how they intend to do it.
Chuc Morris
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-11-02 19:40:01 UTC
Goldensaver wrote:
But they do dislike the binary nature of ECM, or so I hear. And they do have plans to change up EWar in general... but nobody really knows how they intend to do it.



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