EVE General Discussion

I remember a long time back there was a corp selling second-hand ships.

I'm not sure how well that business went. Advertising things that were in fact brand new as second-hand is probably not the best business model one could think of.

I had a freighter I paid 800m for over 12 months. It did hundreds of jumps, bumped into gates, stations, ships all kinds of things. It endured the rigours of warp space travel so well that I sold it for 1.2b after I came back from a 4 month break.

It never cost a single isk in all that time for maintenance/repair.

Nothing loses value over time. Pos's, ships, modules, drones... There are maintenance bills for some things, sure, but maintenance should not stop ageing of assets.

- Is depreciation of assets over time a good isk sink?
- Would it be a passive and consistent market-driver? (eg: when PvP is not killing enough ships by itself)
- Can some arbitrary wear-and-tear (eg: ehp reduction?) factor be built in?


Your thoughts....


Addendum: It was pointed out that losing effectiveness "permanently" overtime is bad and I agree.

Thus, the idea might be that depreciation escalates maintenance costs to keep the ship at 100% effectiveness. The older the ship the more it costs to fix. Replacement at some point is inevitable. It becomes both a good sink (maintenance) and a boost to the player economy (replacement).

(by default, it also creates a whole new "industry" - that of the "second-hand dealer".)

If there is one priority that CCP needs to focus on, it's ISK. They need to turn off the taps and pull the plug to start draining some out of the economy.

Degradation of stuff and the required payment to keep it in top shape is certainly one way to do that.

Mr Epeen

i like.

jb's not neccessary tho' they already cost a LOT to own and run.

i meant, the isk charge changing based on the size of the ship. iirc it costs more fuel to use a jb with a freighter than a frig, for example.

Would be something to think about once they get proper combat damage as showcased during Fanfest.
If the whole skin suffered visual wear and tear the more you used it without real detrimental effects, and you can "clean" it with the repair shop. That's one way to go about it.
Because if there was true stat adjustment, what would constitute wear and tear? The more times it suffered hull damage? More often than not, at that point, you will rarely escape and go "aww man, all my stats are down 5% because of heavy use..."
Hours spent in space? That's just punishing the players who play more. As if clone costs weren't enough punishment for that as it is. How about jump amount? A bit unfair to those in nul or low that end up traveling a ton for a fight. Bet I guess it could be adjusted so combat ships wear down far less often than say industrial. Then Industrial usage in high would likely see a constant isk drain if wear effected agility. Or if mining wear effected yield. Yet what about those in WH space? New POS redesign would help this but a hanger may not be acceptable for all POS sizes.

It would be a interesting mechanic for a sink. Yet the balance of annoyance and practical addition to the game is a bit sketchy. How often would it be deemed necessary? The actual cost. The effects to those that don't live in stations?

would help but the station traders are a bit of the problem
Wealth centralization.
All that ISK is not spread out in EVE
There are specific groups with a majority.
Breaking them of all that ISK is the better plan.
A regressive tax basically.
Quite surprised it doesnt exist already given how effective they are in real life at preventing centralization.

Good questions.

Cleaning could be a good sink. "When/If" skins come out, be even more relevant?

High gate prices for jumps (not my idea but...) - I'd see that as a positive for massive fleets travelling 30-40 jumps to a fight. It would make blue bridges etc. more effective while red has to do it the hard way.

On ship combat effectiveness, I see this as being a bonus. Those that die less often will be flying in ships constantly falling apart around them. Be quite funny. I can see l33ts claiming they killed x flying a 34% combat reduced frig.

It'll become a new cult... (In Australia we have Mongrel Ute Gathering - the ugliest dirtiest nastiest ute - slang for utility - wins the prize! Serious...)

And yes, on inyd/barges etc. speed agaility and yield should be affected the longer you keep your ship "intact" as it were. Carebear Hulks will die - eventually......

And truly, in Eve, where can't a POS/station or something be found to dock occasionally. If you can't find one, you need a compass, not a maintenance bay.

This is a terrible idea. This game is complicated enough without having to micromanage about 22 ships too to make sure they haven't got a 10% "ship is too old to fly" penalty to EHP

People cant always find a hanger to repair at, ex: caps built in holes. Or super caps period
Horrible hassle to POS dwellers to cycle out ships to get them repaired after X amount of time.

Perhaps just launch it as visual cosmetic over hours played in space. And see how much everyone would actually spend to stay pretty.
And depending on its success and providing there is the ability that everyone could properly repair themselves no matter where they lived... experiment on real effects. Like those that always live in wormhole space could develop oiled sansha skins due to wormhole exposure and are repaired in wormhole. And if they could be sold as a Oiled Tengu. Perhaps there would be a whole new market of "used" trade rather than "look at how much less effective this well worn ship is".

Having to pay to jump through a NPC stargate is the worst idea I've ever heard. Depreciation is one thing, I wouldnt mind seeing that. But it should be simple as repairing your ship in the repair shop, or having a specialized ship to do it for you (could be a new career.?) Eve should always be proactive about keeping isk in the hands of players not giving it to an NPC for no reason other than to make an isk sink...