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Faction Warfare - Aggression upon entering plex

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Dan Carter Murray
#1 - 2012-10-31 20:58:57 UTC
CCP:

please give aggression to non-FW players who enter FW plexes.

aggression should be to the ENTIRE militia whose plex was entered.

for real....make 15 min aggression timer for non-militia entering plexes in FW.

they aren't there to sing kum-ba-ya.


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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#2 - 2012-10-31 21:39:18 UTC
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
CCP:please give aggression to ALL players who enter FW plexes.

Fixed. May be easier to implement as well.
Julius Foederatus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-10-31 22:02:51 UTC
They're changing crimewatch completely when Dec 4th patch hits, just ride it out til then. Also I'm pretty sure you won't get a criminal flag by engaging a neutral in low sec, though everyone may still be able to shoot at you.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#4 - 2012-11-06 16:48:22 UTC
Upon entering a FW plex, a neutral pilot should get a 15 minute aggression timer for everyone who's in a militia. This will add a bit more risk to all the neutral alt faggotry that goes on.

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Sheynan
Lighting the blight
#5 - 2012-11-06 20:36:35 UTC
Suspect flag for neutrals in a plex.


There, I solved it.
Nayl Mkoll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-11-06 20:43:50 UTC
how about... its lowsec... shoot them
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#7 - 2012-11-06 20:57:58 UTC
Nayl Mkoll wrote:
how about... its lowsec... shoot them


The problem is sec status. Many FW players base out of hi sec. They do not want to lose this option because of shooting neutrals. They play for FW, not to go pirate.

In all honesty, it's a slight flaw in FW... You can shoot opposing militia, but kill too many neutrals in a warzone and concord wants to have a word with you. Plus, I don't believe FW missions and plexes improve your sec status. In the least, sec status should not be impacted by actions in FW low sec.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#8 - 2012-11-06 22:56:35 UTC
no one should be with his main in fw after next expansion, just keep your alts in 2 opposing militia for getting lp and kill everyone and rats with your main.
senior moment
Priory Of The Lemon
Brave Collective
#9 - 2012-11-06 23:28:29 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
CCP:please give aggression to ALL players who enter FW plexes.

Fixed. May be easier to implement as well.


+1 I support this, but would include players entering LS mission area's.
Cromwell Savage
The Screaming Seagulls
#10 - 2012-11-06 23:29:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Cromwell Savage
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Nayl Mkoll wrote:
how about... its lowsec... shoot them


The problem is sec status. Many FW players base out of hi sec. They do not want to lose this option because of shooting neutrals. They play for FW, not to go pirate.

In all honesty, it's a slight flaw in FW... You can shoot opposing militia, but kill too many neutrals in a warzone and concord wants to have a word with you. Plus, I don't believe FW missions and plexes improve your sec status. In the least, sec status should not be impacted by actions in FW low sec.



It's far from a "flaw" but rather the greatest aspect of FW...'free' wardec. It's lo-sec. Deal with it like everyone else. Don't want to take the sec hit? Then either do not engage or let them aggress first...

FW is the best PvP 'tool" in the game....I can go 'pie' if I want (yarrr!!!!)....I can go to dull-sec if I want (LOL!!!!!)....I can run missions if I want (snore...but hey...I like ISK too...)....I can do all that AND still shoot a crap ton of other targets without having to go GCC anywhere at anytime in all of Eve (WIN!).
Kazim Scumling
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-11-06 23:44:07 UTC
Cromwell Savage wrote:
It's far from a "flaw" but rather the greatest aspect of FW...'free' wardec. It's lo-sec. Deal with it like everyone else. Don't want to take the sec hit? Then either do not engage or let them aggress first...

FW is the best PvP 'tool" in the game....I can go 'pie' if I want (yarrr!!!!)....I can go to dull-sec if I want (LOL!!!!!)....I can run missions if I want (snore...but hey...I like ISK too...)....I can do all that AND still shoot a crap ton of other targets without having to go GCC anywhere at anytime in all of Eve (WIN!).


However having aggression timer on non-FW pilots entering plexes wouldn't change these facts, would it? If you're an FW pilot you shouldn't be against such a change favoring FW pilots against pirates, I guess.
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#12 - 2012-11-06 23:48:42 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Many FW pubbies base out of hi sec.


fixed that for you.

Grownups live in lowsec.
Cromwell Savage
The Screaming Seagulls
#13 - 2012-11-07 02:26:01 UTC
Kazim Scumling wrote:
Cromwell Savage wrote:
It's far from a "flaw" but rather the greatest aspect of FW...'free' wardec. It's lo-sec. Deal with it like everyone else. Don't want to take the sec hit? Then either do not engage or let them aggress first...

FW is the best PvP 'tool" in the game....I can go 'pie' if I want (yarrr!!!!)....I can go to dull-sec if I want (LOL!!!!!)....I can run missions if I want (snore...but hey...I like ISK too...)....I can do all that AND still shoot a crap ton of other targets without having to go GCC anywhere at anytime in all of Eve (WIN!).


However having aggression timer on non-FW pilots entering plexes wouldn't change these facts, would it? If you're an FW pilot you shouldn't be against such a change favoring FW pilots against pirates, I guess.


I am against it.

Why are FW plexes any different from any other mission/plex? What makes "us" so special that we should be granted the "easy button" and avoid having to risk GCC at any time, even in lo-sec? Why, because we are "militia" and they are "not"? Not good enough for me. Again, it is lo-sec. The "nuetral" has to go GCC to aggro you if you are not -5. Same rules apply for "you". That's how lo-sec works and that is the "risk" you take by flying in lo-sec - regardless of FW.

I fall back to my original statement. If you fly in lo-sec, you accept the "risk" of having to go GCC/being aggressed by "pirates" (obviously a -5 or greater does not induce GCC). You have two choices - engage or not to engage. If your sec status means that much to you, then you either stay in hi-sec, or you take the hit (as waiting to be shot at first is usually not wise...) and grind your sec back up. That's life in lo-sec. I see no need to change it regardless of FW.
Dan Carter Murray
#14 - 2012-11-07 05:43:14 UTC
entering a plex in FW is an act of agression kind of like taking from a can outside some station in highsec is an act of aggression.

anyone who says "oh let them tackle you then you can shoot them" is delusional or only flies brawl fits with optimals in tackle range.

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Dan Carter Murray
#15 - 2012-11-07 05:44:20 UTC
also, who cares if the person that enteres is pirate. fight them.

it's the non-pirate faggots that enter and you shoot them and they leave that is annoying as ****.

or they enter, you tackle, they are stabbed and leave.

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Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#16 - 2012-11-07 06:21:54 UTC
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
CCP:

please give aggression to non-FW players who enter FW plexes.

aggression should be to the ENTIRE militia whose plex was entered.

for real....make 15 min aggression timer for non-militia entering plexes in FW.

they aren't there to sing kum-ba-ya.




HTFU and go -5 already :D
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#17 - 2012-11-07 07:05:40 UTC
Let the neutrals shoot first. Shoot back. Kill them. Problem solved.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#18 - 2012-11-07 08:11:24 UTC
I mentioned this problem previously where it apparently mattered and was basically told - 'This is Faction Warfare - not Pirate Warfare'

Big problem with that response was - I was not a pirate.

There is a constant wave of wanna be pirates who come into plexes hoping for an easy kill.
FW players should not have to become pirates by default because of these spazzos.

Why not have status gain on killing the plex rats?

Concerned for newer players - I'm over worrying about sec status.


Oh yeah - why I am posting:
**** ********** Dans ****** idea is really ****** sensible and *** ****** ***** would do the ************* trick ****** perfectly - I ******* think CC ******* P should do this ****.

Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#19 - 2012-11-07 08:14:46 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Let the neutrals shoot first. Shoot back. Kill them. Problem solved.


Better yet. Stop plexing.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-11-07 13:57:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Stalking Mantis
THIS.

I have been juggling my sec status. Although I live in lowsec and usually hover closely to 'pirate' status I assure you it is not due to me partcipating in blowing up neuteral people for the fun of it.

When someone enters my plex I am not going to wait for him to agress me untill I react to defend myself. Especially if I have to wait for him to scram me for example when I am in a kiting fit ship.

My philosophy is if your in my plex your their for pvp and I will initiate pvp if you are inside or even near the acceleration ate to my plex.

Sadly though the agression and GCC flag mechanics is so broad it means I take a sec status hit every time. Not that I mind but i prefer not to be full pirate sec status wise because some actions needed for fleet (for example flying logi chains) gets to be a pain when you are below -5.0

So yah CCP. This should change.

Thanks DCM

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