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Cultural elitism and the war against Pubdom - is this is the future of EVE?

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#161 - 2012-10-31 15:40:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Torvin Yulus wrote:



a liar tou r

you probalby hired some minority worker for half minimum wage from mexico to flip burgers on your behalf, just like you force pubbies into slavery on EVE.

go back tot he 1600s slave ships and be the guy who whips them you'd be content

The messed up part is, you're partially right.

The Burger King I worked at when I was 16 was actually raided. Turns out the guy that owned like 8 of them in my state was hiring illegal mexican immegrants, a couple of years after I worked there. Still looks like that's what he's doing almost 20 years later.
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#162 - 2012-10-31 15:40:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Den Arius
Xenuria wrote:
Andski wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
You have to understand that he probably understands what you are saying but simply thinks that the cause he is fighting for is important enough. When it comes to choosing which hill to die on, aspies tend to want to die on every hill they can. In simple terms, PG is doing this not because he enjoys it or because its a leisurely activity but because he feels strongly that it is the right thing to do.

There are few things more stubborn than an aspie that thinks he is doing the right thing. I myself often have great difficulty in realizing when to back down from something I feel is a noble endeavor.


The only way you are going to shut him down or convince him that he has better things to do is to formulate a seriously potent argument that both appeals to his position and articulates the numerous alternative outcomes that would/could be more desirable than the ones he is chasing.


I don't know, I figured "hey, other dudes your age are kissing girls and you're fighting for some ~noble~ e-cause that you can't win anyway" would drive the point home


I think you are still missing the point. It's not always about winning.
Sometimes it's about doing the right thing even if that means never achieving your goals.

I could be out kissing girls and losing my virginity but I have chosen a different lifestyle for right now. I have made a fair trade because some day I will be able to have a job I enjoy and a pay that allows me to spend money on other people. Instead of "kissing girls" I sit at home and do research or bury my face in a book for a time. I do more in a day than most normal people do in a week.


Now I am unsure what PG hopes to gain by making the trade he is. I will say no you normally can't have both. I tried it. My work inevitably spills over into my social life. Telling girls about pedophiles of furries you have been tracking isn't exactly an ice breaker or something that stimulates a romantic environment. If I can find a girl who gets turned on by vigilante justice and gets hot at the idea of a guy who knows more about her anatomy then she does then it could work.

That's rare though.

Make it easy PG. Choose one or the other.


Yh but I don't find that stuff fun. I just want to have a good time - if working and getting money allows me to do this, then fine. At the moment I'm just posting on forums getting lots of attention. I would happily be out kissing girls atm, but I don't really think that is appropriate right now.

Bobb
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#163 - 2012-10-31 15:41:42 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
I could be out kissing girls and losing my virginity


Let's be real here. This a serious thread and your trolling attempts are just not welcome.
Plexas Aideron
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
#164 - 2012-10-31 15:42:09 UTC
Den Arius wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Andski wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
You have to understand that he probably understands what you are saying but simply thinks that the cause he is fighting for is important enough. When it comes to choosing which hill to die on, aspies tend to want to die on every hill they can. In simple terms, PG is doing this not because he enjoys it or because its a leisurely activity but because he feels strongly that it is the right thing to do.

There are few things more stubborn than an aspie that thinks he is doing the right thing. I myself often have great difficulty in realizing when to back down from something I feel is a noble endeavor.


The only way you are going to shut him down or convince him that he has better things to do is to formulate a seriously potent argument that both appeals to his position and articulates the numerous alternative outcomes that would/could be more desirable than the ones he is chasing.


I don't know, I figured "hey, other dudes your age are kissing girls and you're fighting for some ~noble~ e-cause that you can't win anyway" would drive the point home


I think you are still missing the point. It's not always about winning.
Sometimes it's about doing the right thing even if that means never achieving your goals.

I could be out kissing girls and losing my virginity but I have chosen a different lifestyle for right now. I have made a fair trade because some day I will be able to have a job I enjoy and a pay that allows me to spend money on other people. Instead of "kissing girls" I sit at home and do research or bury my face in a book for a time. I do more in a day than most normal people do in a week.


Now I am unsure what PG hopes to gain by making the trade he is. I will say no you normally can't have both. I tried it. My work inevitably spills over into my social life. Telling girls about pedophiles of furries you have been tracking isn't exactly an ice breaker or something that stimulates a romantic environment. If I can find a girl who gets turned on by vigilante justice and gets hot at the idea of a guy who knows more about her anatomy then she does then it could work.

That's rare though.

Make it easy PG. Choose one or the other.


Yh but I don't find that stuff fun. I just want to have a good time - if working and getting money allows me to do this, then fine. At the moment I'm just posting on forums getting lots of attention.


well i guess thats one way to spin it. v0v
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#165 - 2012-10-31 15:42:49 UTC
Xenuria wrote:


I could be out kissing girls and losing my virginity but I have chosen a different lifestyle for right now.

Again,

Says the guy with a youtube video begging for a date. WTF.
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#166 - 2012-10-31 15:43:17 UTC
Plexas Aideron wrote:
Den Arius wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Andski wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
You have to understand that he probably understands what you are saying but simply thinks that the cause he is fighting for is important enough. When it comes to choosing which hill to die on, aspies tend to want to die on every hill they can. In simple terms, PG is doing this not because he enjoys it or because its a leisurely activity but because he feels strongly that it is the right thing to do.

There are few things more stubborn than an aspie that thinks he is doing the right thing. I myself often have great difficulty in realizing when to back down from something I feel is a noble endeavor.


The only way you are going to shut him down or convince him that he has better things to do is to formulate a seriously potent argument that both appeals to his position and articulates the numerous alternative outcomes that would/could be more desirable than the ones he is chasing.


I don't know, I figured "hey, other dudes your age are kissing girls and you're fighting for some ~noble~ e-cause that you can't win anyway" would drive the point home


I think you are still missing the point. It's not always about winning.
Sometimes it's about doing the right thing even if that means never achieving your goals.

I could be out kissing girls and losing my virginity but I have chosen a different lifestyle for right now. I have made a fair trade because some day I will be able to have a job I enjoy and a pay that allows me to spend money on other people. Instead of "kissing girls" I sit at home and do research or bury my face in a book for a time. I do more in a day than most normal people do in a week.


Now I am unsure what PG hopes to gain by making the trade he is. I will say no you normally can't have both. I tried it. My work inevitably spills over into my social life. Telling girls about pedophiles of furries you have been tracking isn't exactly an ice breaker or something that stimulates a romantic environment. If I can find a girl who gets turned on by vigilante justice and gets hot at the idea of a guy who knows more about her anatomy then she does then it could work.

That's rare though.

Make it easy PG. Choose one or the other.


Yh but I don't find that stuff fun. I just want to have a good time - if working and getting money allows me to do this, then fine. At the moment I'm just posting on forums getting lots of attention.


well i guess thats one way to spin it. v0v


This video comes to mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MN5y_gGI1k

Bobb
Torvin Yulus
Doomheim
#167 - 2012-10-31 15:43:29 UTC
EI Digin wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
I could be out kissing girls and losing my virginity


Let's be real here. This a serious thread and your trolling attempts are just not welcome.



women want me because of my anti goon ways i have impressed many wimen over time by ranting aboutg GEWNS on my date. most of them run away but the ones who don't are a perfect match for me

im a pubby and im proud
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#168 - 2012-10-31 15:44:27 UTC
Torvin Yulus wrote:
EI Digin wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
I could be out kissing girls and losing my virginity


Let's be real here. This a serious thread and your trolling attempts are just not welcome.



women want me because of my anti goon ways i have impressed many wimen over time by ranting aboutg GEWNS on my date. most of them run away but the ones who don't are a perfect match for me

Stop taking their wheelchairs and they might have a fair chance.
Ghazu
#169 - 2012-10-31 15:50:31 UTC
Sir Marksalot wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

The negative attitude has not chased me away, but it has made me unenthusiastic about playing so much. I've cancelled 2 of 4 accounts, utterly stopped manufacturing except for simple Fuel Blocks, and I just sort of 'putter around' when I'm on.



I thought it was because the Ministry of Love shot your POS.

Nah it's the price of plex.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#170 - 2012-10-31 15:51:23 UTC
Anslo, did you hack Preencleve's account?
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#171 - 2012-10-31 15:53:10 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Anslo, did you hack Preencleve's account?


Maybe he just has multiple personality disorder? No. I think we should be supporting Anslo and other revolutionaries in EVE Online.

Bobb
Random Majere
Rogue Fleet
#172 - 2012-10-31 16:03:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Random Majere
I think OP does not realize that even veteran players that he considers "elite" get laugh at and/or persecuted every day in this game. But OP may be right about this being a strong fact within the Goon culture.

Take The Mittani for example. I heard he gets laughed at on comms and VFK local chat every day. Most of is members destroy is ship and even pod him as soon as he undocks. Why do you think he sends is members blobing all across Eve. Its because he will not undock from is VFK station as long as there are people from is alliance that shows up in local. I heard he bitches a lot about AFK cloackies for that very reason.

Yeah OP...Goons are like that. But they dont just target noobs.
Groce
Doomheim
#173 - 2012-10-31 16:04:43 UTC
Random Majere wrote:
I think OP does not realize that even veteran players that he considers "elite" get laught at and/or persecuted every day in this game. But OP may be right about this being a strong fact within the Goon culture.

Take The Mittani for example. I heard he gets laughted at on comms and VFK local chat every day. Most of is members destroy is ship and even pod him as soon as he undocks. Why do you think he sends is members blobing all across Eve. Its because he will not undock from is VFK station as long as there are people from is alliance that shows up in local. I heard he bitches a lot about AFK cloackies for that very reason.

Yeah OP...Goons are like that. But they dont just target noobs.


Thanks for this
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#174 - 2012-10-31 16:05:20 UTC
Groce wrote:
Random Majere wrote:
I think OP does not realize that even veteran players that he considers "elite" get laught at and/or persecuted every day in this game. But OP may be right about this being a strong fact within the Goon culture.

Take The Mittani for example. I heard he gets laughted at on comms and VFK local chat every day. Most of is members destroy is ship and even pod him as soon as he undocks. Why do you think he sends is members blobing all across Eve. Its because he will not undock from is VFK station as long as there are people from is alliance that shows up in local. I heard he bitches a lot about AFK cloackies for that very reason.

Yeah OP...Goons are like that. But they dont just target noobs.


Thanks for this


I also say thanks.

Bobb
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#175 - 2012-10-31 16:06:18 UTC
Random Majere wrote:
I think OP does not realize that even veteran players that he considers "elite" get laugh at and/or persecuted every day in this game. But OP may be right about this being a strong fact within the Goon culture.

Take The Mittani for example. I heard he gets laughed at on comms and VFK local chat every day. Most of is members destroy is ship and even pod him as soon as he undocks. Why do you think he sends is members blobing all across Eve. Its because he will not undock from is VFK station as long as there are people from is alliance that shows up in local. I heard he bitches a lot about AFK cloackies for that very reason.

Yeah OP...Goons are like that. But they dont just target noobs.



I love you.


Mittens would have to log into Eve in order to not undock from VFK though.
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#176 - 2012-10-31 16:06:42 UTC
you speak of pubdom as if it was a bad thing? I find it is good because it means a more independent player. One that can at times, lead!

As for me, I am a pubbie. (oh look tribal band.... well i am currently "Winning Eve" [forums surfing, not playing but still paying] and thus had no idea so when i stop winning, I will make a decision on where to go.)

Being pubbie lets me decide who I want to affiliate with. Every corp I have been with always asked if I have any affiliation with goons or test. Always. So, that elitism they have comes at a price. The price is their loyalty. once someone is in one of these corps, people will think they are spais all the time because they know that they have an outside allegiance to someone.

But, bragging about being anti-goon is like a hipster saying he/she doesnt like because they are popular.

I hate goons and test because they think they can rule over all of null and leave no room for enemies/rivalrys/neutral entities. They push out new/young alliances and install their own. it would be one thing if they did the things they did against a true enemy, but for now it looks like they just go after whomever is closest to them. declare war and grind. The cycle never stops.
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#177 - 2012-10-31 16:07:13 UTC
Sir Marksalot wrote:
Random Majere wrote:
I think OP does not realize that even veteran players that he considers "elite" get laugh at and/or persecuted every day in this game. But OP may be right about this being a strong fact within the Goon culture.

Take The Mittani for example. I heard he gets laughed at on comms and VFK local chat every day. Most of is members destroy is ship and even pod him as soon as he undocks. Why do you think he sends is members blobing all across Eve. Its because he will not undock from is VFK station as long as there are people from is alliance that shows up in local. I heard he bitches a lot about AFK cloackies for that very reason.

Yeah OP...Goons are like that. But they dont just target noobs.



I love you.


Mittens would have to log into Eve in order to not undock from VFK though.


This man is so right. Listen to Random Majere - he is the only guy who has made sense.

Bobb
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#178 - 2012-10-31 16:09:53 UTC
Metal Icarus wrote:
I hate goons and test because they think they can rule over all of null and leave no room for enemies/rivalrys/neutral entities. They push out new/young alliances and install their own. it would be one thing if they did the things they did against a true enemy, but for now it looks like they just go after whomever is closest to them. declare war and grind. The cycle never stops.


Is that why you're blue to TEST?

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Vellamo Lyr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#179 - 2012-10-31 16:15:48 UTC
Groce wrote:
Korhag wrote:
Posting in a legendary thread.



Typical example of reddit posting standards.

99% of posts on reddit are exactly like this.

How hard is it to just say

Quote:
+1

le have my upboat

legndary bread

le LEL


Once every couple of days on reddit? That's all you need to get into dreddit. Somehow you managed to be worse than that?


Pizza alt? Probably.
Groce
Doomheim
#180 - 2012-10-31 16:19:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Groce
Quote:
Pizza alt? Probably.


No, I like many other people just had an alt in test and that's exactly what I did with the reddit account I was forced to create for it.

Don't worry I biomassed that alt out of disgust.

But pizza is still bothering you? Did you ever get your bomber FC back after the fat cow chased him into their arms? That was semi-decent forum drama