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Cultural elitism and the war against Pubdom - is this is the future of EVE?

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Vladimir Helios
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#141 - 2012-10-31 15:29:51 UTC
Den Arius wrote:
~Words~


Maybe we just don't want you?
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#142 - 2012-10-31 15:30:07 UTC
Den Arius wrote:
Andski wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
You have to understand that he probably understands what you are saying but simply thinks that the cause he is fighting for is important enough. When it comes to choosing which hill to die on, aspies tend to want to die on every hill they can. In simple terms, PG is doing this not because he enjoys it or because its a leisurely activity but because he feels strongly that it is the right thing to do.

There are few things more stubborn than an aspie that thinks he is doing the right thing. I myself often have great difficulty in realizing when to back down from something I feel is a noble endeavor.


The only way you are going to shut him down or convince him that he has better things to do is to formulate a seriously potent argument that both appeals to his position and articulates the numerous alternative outcomes that would/could be more desirable than the ones he is chasing.


I don't know, I figured "hey, other dudes your age are kissing girls and you're fighting for some ~noble~ e-cause that you can't win anyway" would drive the point home


Can I not do both?


Are you? This is a rhetorical question I do not want to hear about your dating life.
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#143 - 2012-10-31 15:30:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Den Arius
WOOW. Xenuria - I've admired you before. I'd appreciate if you didn't say things like "people like us". No offence.

Requesting ISD to lock thread.

Bobb
Torvin Yulus
Doomheim
#144 - 2012-10-31 15:31:01 UTC
shut up gewnie

eve needs more pepes like xenuria and this preencleeve fewllow, the kind of person who wil stand up for the moral rights of men in a harsh universe. the GEWNS are just tryants who probasbly flip burgerds all dasy ay mcdonalds

do not let the goon negiotate with you. the goons willlie and steel to get what theyt want.

the goons just want you to lose your individuality so you become just another goonswarm drone flying a supercap so that the goons leadership, namely the mittani and riverini, can continue to make REAL WORLD PROFITS OFF AD TRAFFIC on their websites.

the hi sec propbeletriare has the chance to rise up for the rights of men and this chance will nevar come again. FOR THE REVOLUTION!

im a pubby and im proud
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#145 - 2012-10-31 15:34:22 UTC
Torvin Yulus wrote:
shut up gewnie

eve needs more pepes like xenuria and this preencleeve fewllow, the kind of person who wil stand up for the moral rights of men in a harsh universe. the GEWNS are just tryants who probasbly flip burgerds all dasy ay mcdonalds

do not let the goon negiotate with you. the goons willlie and steel to get what theyt want.

the goons just want you to lose your individuality so you become just another goonswarm drone flying a supercap so that the goons leadership, namely the mittani and riverini, can continue to make REAL WORLD PROFITS OFF AD TRAFFIC on their websites.

the hi sec propbeletriare has the chance to rise up for the rights of men and this chance will nevar come again. FOR THE REVOLUTION!

I haven't flipped burgers in 20 years.

I actually have the luxury of never having to work again. I'm retired, I bullshit on the forums during the day while palying EVE, go to the bar at night with my little brother, and pick up women much younger than me.

Some people need a shovel, rope, and lime. Others of us are just cool dudes.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#146 - 2012-10-31 15:34:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Den Arius wrote:

TLDR: Pubbies are being attacked and rejected because they're not friends with Goons/TEST or share the same culture. Is this the future? Can we stop it?

- Den
Prencleeve Grothsmore
General Secretary of the Forestry Commision
Founder of the Grizzly Bears Alliance



I know. I agree. It totally reminds me of High School. I was utterly over that 30 years ago. I guess some people just cannot grow up or discover any new way to rally and organize themselves without having an 'Other' to go after, even just verbally.

TBH, it all sounds so childish and fake I don't believe most of it. It's mostly just manufactured propaganda by bored people of adult age.

The negative attitude has not chased me away, but it has made me unenthusiastic about playing so much. I've cancelled 2 of 4 accounts, utterly stopped manufacturing except for simple Fuel Blocks, and I just sort of 'putter around' when I'm on.

I guess that means their wishes are coming true. Good luck having EVE to play in a few years, as I have noticed I'm one of the few here who is actually 'patient'. Even it's worn thin.

edit: tl;dr Most of the joy I had when starting 3 years ago is utterly wiped out from the hostility and childish nonsense. And the few times I have been ganked ingame, it's not the gank I mind, it's the childish verbal sputum afterwards in mail and local that turns me off, and makes me wonder anew at the mental state of the 21st Century mind.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#147 - 2012-10-31 15:34:47 UTC
Xenuria wrote:

I may not be the only person capable of reading people but I am better at it than most. I would think if people like andski understood how to read people at this level they would act with more understanding. PG is not all that complicated, he is a person like the rest of us and people have needs. PG's need appears to be vindication and acceptance. This is not uncommon for people like us. The need to be right often erodes the need to have friends.


His need seems to be more attention-based than anything else. Keep in mind that you're talking about a 13 (14 now?) year old boy who has, over the past year, gone through a series of stalking Mittani, getting banned from SA multiple times, getting permabanned from eve multiple times, making videos and blogs about us, etc.

All of it just to be important to "The goons".
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#148 - 2012-10-31 15:35:48 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Torvin Yulus wrote:
shut up gewnie

eve needs more pepes like xenuria and this preencleeve fewllow, the kind of person who wil stand up for the moral rights of men in a harsh universe. the GEWNS are just tryants who probasbly flip burgerds all dasy ay mcdonalds

do not let the goon negiotate with you. the goons willlie and steel to get what theyt want.

the goons just want you to lose your individuality so you become just another goonswarm drone flying a supercap so that the goons leadership, namely the mittani and riverini, can continue to make REAL WORLD PROFITS OFF AD TRAFFIC on their websites.

the hi sec propbeletriare has the chance to rise up for the rights of men and this chance will nevar come again. FOR THE REVOLUTION!

I haven't flipped burgers in 20 years.

I actually have the luxury of never having to work again. I'm retired, I bullshit on the forums during the day while palying EVE, go to the bar at night with my little brother, and pick up women much younger than me.

Some people need a shovel, rope, and lime. Others of us are just cool dudes.


I wish I was you.

Bobb
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#149 - 2012-10-31 15:36:29 UTC
Xenuria wrote:


I may not be the only person capable of reading people but I am better at it than most. I would think if people like andski understood how to read people at this level they would act with more understanding. PG is not all that complicated, he is a person like the rest of us and people have needs. PG's need appears to be vindication and acceptance. This is not uncommon for people like us. The need to be right often erodes the need to have friends.


Says the guy that uses Youtube to beg for dates.

Yeah, you're good at reading people all right.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#150 - 2012-10-31 15:36:52 UTC
Den Arius wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Torvin Yulus wrote:
shut up gewnie

eve needs more pepes like xenuria and this preencleeve fewllow, the kind of person who wil stand up for the moral rights of men in a harsh universe. the GEWNS are just tryants who probasbly flip burgerds all dasy ay mcdonalds

do not let the goon negiotate with you. the goons willlie and steel to get what theyt want.

the goons just want you to lose your individuality so you become just another goonswarm drone flying a supercap so that the goons leadership, namely the mittani and riverini, can continue to make REAL WORLD PROFITS OFF AD TRAFFIC on their websites.

the hi sec propbeletriare has the chance to rise up for the rights of men and this chance will nevar come again. FOR THE REVOLUTION!

I haven't flipped burgers in 20 years.

I actually have the luxury of never having to work again. I'm retired, I bullshit on the forums during the day while palying EVE, go to the bar at night with my little brother, and pick up women much younger than me.

Some people need a shovel, rope, and lime. Others of us are just cool dudes.


I wish I was you.

You should, people actually like me.
Torvin Yulus
Doomheim
#151 - 2012-10-31 15:37:50 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Torvin Yulus wrote:
shut up gewnie

eve needs more pepes like xenuria and this preencleeve fewllow, the kind of person who wil stand up for the moral rights of men in a harsh universe. the GEWNS are just tryants who probasbly flip burgerds all dasy ay mcdonalds

do not let the goon negiotate with you. the goons willlie and steel to get what theyt want.

the goons just want you to lose your individuality so you become just another goonswarm drone flying a supercap so that the goons leadership, namely the mittani and riverini, can continue to make REAL WORLD PROFITS OFF AD TRAFFIC on their websites.

the hi sec propbeletriare has the chance to rise up for the rights of men and this chance will nevar come again. FOR THE REVOLUTION!

I haven't flipped burgers in 20 years.

I actually have the luxury of never having to work again. I'm retired, I bullshit on the forums during the day while palying EVE, go to the bar at night with my little brother, and pick up women much younger than me.

Some people need a shovel, rope, and lime. Others of us are just cool dudes.


a liar tou r

you probalby hired some minority worker for half minimum wage from mexico to flip burgers on your behalf, just like you force pubbies into slavery on EVE.

go back tot he 1600s slave ships and be the guy who whips them you'd be content

im a pubby and im proud
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#152 - 2012-10-31 15:37:56 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Den Arius wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Torvin Yulus wrote:
shut up gewnie

eve needs more pepes like xenuria and this preencleeve fewllow, the kind of person who wil stand up for the moral rights of men in a harsh universe. the GEWNS are just tryants who probasbly flip burgerds all dasy ay mcdonalds

do not let the goon negiotate with you. the goons willlie and steel to get what theyt want.

the goons just want you to lose your individuality so you become just another goonswarm drone flying a supercap so that the goons leadership, namely the mittani and riverini, can continue to make REAL WORLD PROFITS OFF AD TRAFFIC on their websites.

the hi sec propbeletriare has the chance to rise up for the rights of men and this chance will nevar come again. FOR THE REVOLUTION!

I haven't flipped burgers in 20 years.

I actually have the luxury of never having to work again. I'm retired, I bullshit on the forums during the day while palying EVE, go to the bar at night with my little brother, and pick up women much younger than me.

Some people need a shovel, rope, and lime. Others of us are just cool dudes.


I wish I was you.

You should, people actually like me.


Internet people don't like me because I act stupid on the internet.

Bobb
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#153 - 2012-10-31 15:38:17 UTC
Quote:

I am directly affected by this elitism on a regular basis. I was traveling in Northern Nullsec a few days ago, I said "hi, how's everybody doing?" in local. I was quickly insulted and attacked because I wasn't part of your little group.


Oh noes

Were your feelers all hurt?

>Insert link to carebears running from a monster and/or link to Hello Kitty Online here<

How awful for you.
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#154 - 2012-10-31 15:38:34 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

The negative attitude has not chased me away, but it has made me unenthusiastic about playing so much. I've cancelled 2 of 4 accounts, utterly stopped manufacturing except for simple Fuel Blocks, and I just sort of 'putter around' when I'm on.



I thought it was because the Ministry of Love shot your POS.
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#155 - 2012-10-31 15:38:41 UTC
Riedle wrote:
Quote:

I am directly affected by this elitism on a regular basis. I was traveling in Northern Nullsec a few days ago, I said "hi, how's everybody doing?" in local. I was quickly insulted and attacked because I wasn't part of your little group.


Oh noes

Were your feelers all hurt?

>Insert link to carebears running from a monster and/or link to Hello Kitty Online here<

How awful for you.


I cry myself to sleep.

Bobb
Xenuria
#156 - 2012-10-31 15:38:59 UTC
Andski wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
You have to understand that he probably understands what you are saying but simply thinks that the cause he is fighting for is important enough. When it comes to choosing which hill to die on, aspies tend to want to die on every hill they can. In simple terms, PG is doing this not because he enjoys it or because its a leisurely activity but because he feels strongly that it is the right thing to do.

There are few things more stubborn than an aspie that thinks he is doing the right thing. I myself often have great difficulty in realizing when to back down from something I feel is a noble endeavor.


The only way you are going to shut him down or convince him that he has better things to do is to formulate a seriously potent argument that both appeals to his position and articulates the numerous alternative outcomes that would/could be more desirable than the ones he is chasing.


I don't know, I figured "hey, other dudes your age are kissing girls and you're fighting for some ~noble~ e-cause that you can't win anyway" would drive the point home


I think you are still missing the point. It's not always about winning.
Sometimes it's about doing the right thing even if that means never achieving your goals.

I could be out kissing girls and losing my virginity but I have chosen a different lifestyle for right now. I have made a fair trade because some day I will be able to have a job I enjoy and a pay that allows me to spend money on other people. Instead of "kissing girls" I sit at home and do research or bury my face in a book for a time. I do more in a day than most normal people do in a week.


Now I am unsure what PG hopes to gain by making the trade he is. I will say no you normally can't have both. I tried it. My work inevitably spills over into my social life. Telling girls about pedophiles of furries you have been tracking isn't exactly an ice breaker or something that stimulates a romantic environment. If I can find a girl who gets turned on by vigilante justice and gets hot at the idea of a guy who knows more about her anatomy then she does then it could work.

That's rare though.

Make it easy PG. Choose one or the other.

CSM 12 Candidate
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#157 - 2012-10-31 15:39:11 UTC
Den Arius wrote:
Internet people don't like me because I act stupid on the internet.


Good, you've identified your major flaw.

Now what are you going to do about it?
Eezee Gonozal
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#158 - 2012-10-31 15:39:15 UTC
Den Arius wrote:
WOOW. Xenuria - I've admired you before. I'd appreciate if you didn't say things like "people like us". No offence.

Requesting ISD to lock thread.


Who's the exclusionist now? You somehow don't want to be associated with Xenuria?
flakeys
Doomheim
#159 - 2012-10-31 15:39:16 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
in reply to Den Arius complaints :



- People who aren't a member of these "external" forums have significantly less opportunities in null sec

Uhm , lol no.I can join a crapload of null corporations without being a part of these external forums.Hell i can even be a member for certain of both goon and test alliance if i wanted to.Just not in 'any corporation' within that alliance as yes for some you do need to be a member of these external forums.


- The generalization of a very diverse group of people


And why should i care if they generalise me or others?i'm also doing the same as i find all goons utter shitheads


- The cultural elitism



Again in wich way does that affect me?


- Active and long-standing members of these communities are being rejected because of strict posting requirements


With the above critique you showed them to be a negative thing , why would you even want to join them then?

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#160 - 2012-10-31 15:39:49 UTC
Den Arius wrote:


Internet people don't like me because I act stupid on the internet.



are you about to do that thing that you do where you break down and all of your posts become completely incoherent allcaps rants