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Cultural elitism and the war against Pubdom - is this is the future of EVE?

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Den Arius
Monte Inc
#121 - 2012-10-31 15:14:32 UTC
Andski wrote:
hey prencleeve i realize that i'm basically just reiterating what you have been told so many times by now but this is v. serious:

you have been at this little game for over a year now. consider that: over a year's worth of your free time (which is a lot of free time) dedicated to a fight that you cannot win and for a dumb cause

consider what other people your age are doing, probably playing games outside while gaining an understanding of social cues, acceptable behavior, boundaries, etc. which are useful things to understand considering that, you know, people your age are doing things like dating semi-seriously, and later on those things will help you when you have a real job

again, what have you been doing while your schoolmates are doing these things? throwing away your free time for the sake of a fight you will never win.

think 'bout that for a while and then consider the whole "spend the rest of this wednesday afternoon gaining nothing" thing


I've given up the fight as per your own rules. I'm just going to cater to people like me - I'm not waging a war against you. I just wanted to start a discussion on the forums....

Bobb
Plexas Aideron
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
#122 - 2012-10-31 15:14:44 UTC
xenuria posted. IT HAS BEGUN...
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#123 - 2012-10-31 15:14:45 UTC
Fix Lag wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Preencleeve and Xenuria: A match made in heaven and YouTube.


I can't see how putting Xenuria and an adolescent in the same room with each other will end well.


This was the obvious joke but I was afraid of making it. You get a like.
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#124 - 2012-10-31 15:15:54 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Fix Lag wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Preencleeve and Xenuria: A match made in heaven and YouTube.


I can't see how putting Xenuria and an adolescent in the same room with each other will end well.


This was the obvious joke but I was afraid of making it. You get a like.


I'm I missing something here? I don't get it.

Bobb
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#125 - 2012-10-31 15:18:17 UTC
Den Arius wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Fix Lag wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Preencleeve and Xenuria: A match made in heaven and YouTube.


I can't see how putting Xenuria and an adolescent in the same room with each other will end well.


This was the obvious joke but I was afraid of making it. You get a like.


I'm I missing something here? I don't get it.


I believe he was kicked from TEST for unironically defending pedophilia in mumble or something. Someone from TEST please clarify.
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#126 - 2012-10-31 15:18:53 UTC
Den Arius wrote:

I've given up the fight as per your own rules. I'm just going to cater to people like me - I'm not waging a war against you. I just wanted to start a discussion on the forums....


Many people with autism lead great and productive lives.

You should learn their ways.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#127 - 2012-10-31 15:18:56 UTC
Den Arius wrote:
Andski wrote:
hey prencleeve i realize that i'm basically just reiterating what you have been told so many times by now but this is v. serious:

you have been at this little game for over a year now. consider that: over a year's worth of your free time (which is a lot of free time) dedicated to a fight that you cannot win and for a dumb cause

consider what other people your age are doing, probably playing games outside while gaining an understanding of social cues, acceptable behavior, boundaries, etc. which are useful things to understand considering that, you know, people your age are doing things like dating semi-seriously, and later on those things will help you when you have a real job

again, what have you been doing while your schoolmates are doing these things? throwing away your free time for the sake of a fight you will never win.

think 'bout that for a while and then consider the whole "spend the rest of this wednesday afternoon gaining nothing" thing


I've given up the fight as per your own rules. I'm just going to cater to people like me - I'm not waging a war against you. I just wanted to start a discussion on the forums....


that still doesn't make my point invalid and no, you haven't given up that game of yours, you've just changed it

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#128 - 2012-10-31 15:20:30 UTC
I don't hate you because you are a pubbie.

I hate you because you are a terrible poster.
Xenuria
#129 - 2012-10-31 15:21:11 UTC
Andski wrote:
hey prencleeve i realize that i'm basically just reiterating what you have been told so many times by now but this is v. serious:

you have been at this little game for over a year now. consider that: over a year's worth of your free time (which is a lot of free time) dedicated to a fight that you cannot win and for a dumb cause

consider what other people your age are doing, probably playing games outside while gaining an understanding of social cues, acceptable behavior, boundaries, etc. which are useful things to understand considering that, you know, people your age are doing things like dating semi-seriously, and later on those things will help you when you have a real job

again, what have you been doing while your schoolmates are doing these things? throwing away your free time for the sake of a fight you will never win.

think 'bout that for a while and then consider the whole "spend the rest of this wednesday afternoon gaining nothing" thing


You have to understand that he probably understands what you are saying but simply thinks that the cause he is fighting for is important enough. When it comes to choosing which hill to die on, aspies tend to want to die on every hill they can. In simple terms, PG is doing this not because he enjoys it or because its a leisurely activity but because he feels strongly that it is the right thing to do.

There are few things more stubborn than an aspie that thinks he is doing the right thing. I myself often have great difficulty in realizing when to back down from something I feel is a noble endeavor.


The only way you are going to shut him down or convince him that he has better things to do is to formulate a seriously potent argument that both appeals to his position and articulates the numerous alternative outcomes that would/could be more desirable than the ones he is chasing.

CSM 12 Candidate
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#130 - 2012-10-31 15:21:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
xwolfi wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
One problem.

I joined SA after I joined goons. I was "recruited" from in game, and I joined SA of my own free will when I saw the art forums. No one asked me to join or ever told me to join.


You mean https://wiki.goonfleet.com/Joining_GoonWaffe is a scam ?

No, it means not everyone in goons was recruited through SA. My best friend of the last 20 years or so happens to work with one of the higher ups in GoonWaffe; they got to talking one day and he mentioned that I play EVE. I gave him my name, and than my retriever got blown up in high sec. I laughed, had a conversation with the guy, and have been living in null ever sinse.

You guys don't have to see the value of groups like SA and Reddit recruiting from OUTSIDE of EVE, CCP does and that's really all that matters.

Groups like SA and Reddit do more than you self involved whiners will ever do for EVE's population. They bring people here who aren't playing the game, and they do what they can to ensure those people aren't bored and STAY in the game. Meanwhile you high sec whiners, who post threads like these, do more than anyone else does to drive people away by perpetrating the myth that everyone in null is out to destroy EVE, and that groups like TEST and GSF are only here to greif high sec playes.


I can't even have a ******* conversation on a gaming forum about EVE without a bunch of people who don't even play EVE coming along and "ablooo bloo bloo blobbidy bloo, GOONS!!!" because at some point they read some ******** bullshit like htis.

You guys act like you're the reason EVE thrives, and you're not really. You guys don't make national news headlines, you guys don't generate emergent content, you guys don't go out of your way to bring people who don't play the game to EVE, you guys don't go out of your way to keep people playing EVE.

You guys bore the **** out of people who ultimately quit and then blame everything on a group of peoples you know next to nothing about.

I never had a problem with goons prior to joining, they never bothered me, they didn't make the game unfun for me, and it wasn't until I joined GoonWaffe that I realized just how much bullshit you guys have been spewing for years now.

It wasn't until I got blown up by a goon, recruited, and then living in null that I fully realized that YOU GUYS are what's wrong with EVE; not goons. Groups like TEST and GSF make EVE fun, not you guys.

You guys are boring. Seriously boring. That's not elitism, it's the simply truth. You guys are ******* dull, and you continue to make EVE dull by refusing to take part in what makes EVE great, emergent gameplay.
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#131 - 2012-10-31 15:23:35 UTC
Sir Marksalot wrote:
Den Arius wrote:

I've given up the fight as per your own rules. I'm just going to cater to people like me - I'm not waging a war against you. I just wanted to start a discussion on the forums....


Many people with autism lead great and productive lives.

You should learn their ways.


I'm not/don't.

Bobb
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#132 - 2012-10-31 15:23:45 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Andski wrote:
hey prencleeve i realize that i'm basically just reiterating what you have been told so many times by now but this is v. serious:

you have been at this little game for over a year now. consider that: over a year's worth of your free time (which is a lot of free time) dedicated to a fight that you cannot win and for a dumb cause

consider what other people your age are doing, probably playing games outside while gaining an understanding of social cues, acceptable behavior, boundaries, etc. which are useful things to understand considering that, you know, people your age are doing things like dating semi-seriously, and later on those things will help you when you have a real job

again, what have you been doing while your schoolmates are doing these things? throwing away your free time for the sake of a fight you will never win.

think 'bout that for a while and then consider the whole "spend the rest of this wednesday afternoon gaining nothing" thing


You have to understand that he probably understands what you are saying but simply thinks that the cause he is fighting for is important enough. When it comes to choosing which hill to die on, aspies tend to want to die on every hill they can. In simple terms, PG is doing this not because he enjoys it or because its a leisurely activity but because he feels strongly that it is the right thing to do.

There are few things more stubborn than an aspie that thinks he is doing the right thing. I myself often have great difficulty in realizing when to back down from something I feel is a noble endeavor.


The only way you are going to shut him down or convince him that he has better things to do is to formulate a seriously potent argument that both appeals to his position and articulates the numerous alternative outcomes that would/could be more desirable than the ones he is chasing.


You have to realize that you're not the only one capable of reading people. Those with aspergers are not the only ones with that power!
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#133 - 2012-10-31 15:24:00 UTC
Den Arius wrote:
Sir Marksalot wrote:
Den Arius wrote:

I've given up the fight as per your own rules. I'm just going to cater to people like me - I'm not waging a war against you. I just wanted to start a discussion on the forums....


Many people with autism lead great and productive lives.

You should learn their ways.


I'm not/don't.



Clearly.
Cede Forster
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#134 - 2012-10-31 15:24:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Cede Forster
Den Arius wrote:

I've given up the fight as per your own rules. I'm just going to cater to people like me - I'm not waging a war against you. I just wanted to start a discussion on the forums....


Well, there are no people like you, there is just you.
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#135 - 2012-10-31 15:25:55 UTC
Cede Forster wrote:
Den Arius wrote:

I've given up the fight as per your own rules. I'm just going to cater to people like me - I'm not waging a war against you. I just wanted to start a discussion on the forums....


Well, there are no people like you, there is just you.


Okay, people with similar interests.

Bobb
Eezee Gonozal
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#136 - 2012-10-31 15:26:47 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Andski wrote:
hey prencleeve i realize that i'm basically just reiterating what you have been told so many times by now but this is v. serious:

you have been at this little game for over a year now. consider that: over a year's worth of your free time (which is a lot of free time) dedicated to a fight that you cannot win and for a dumb cause

consider what other people your age are doing, probably playing games outside while gaining an understanding of social cues, acceptable behavior, boundaries, etc. which are useful things to understand considering that, you know, people your age are doing things like dating semi-seriously, and later on those things will help you when you have a real job

again, what have you been doing while your schoolmates are doing these things? throwing away your free time for the sake of a fight you will never win.

think 'bout that for a while and then consider the whole "spend the rest of this wednesday afternoon gaining nothing" thing


You have to understand that he probably understands what you are saying but simply thinks that the cause he is fighting for is important enough. When it comes to choosing which hill to die on, aspies tend to want to die on every hill they can. In simple terms, PG is doing this not because he enjoys it or because its a leisurely activity but because he feels strongly that it is the right thing to do.

There are few things more stubborn than an aspie that thinks he is doing the right thing. I myself often have great difficulty in realizing when to back down from something I feel is a noble endeavor.


The only way you are going to shut him down or convince him that he has better things to do is to formulate a seriously potent argument that both appeals to his position and articulates the numerous alternative outcomes that would/could be more desirable than the ones he is chasing.


Since you are quite a bit older than Prencleeve, you should talk to him about your experiences in social situations and your techniques for handling them.
Maybe after talking to a likeminded individual he will see that it is possible to get help, even if it is just by talking to a friend about your issues instead of making threads like this.
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#137 - 2012-10-31 15:27:26 UTC
Eezee Gonozal wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Andski wrote:
hey prencleeve i realize that i'm basically just reiterating what you have been told so many times by now but this is v. serious:

you have been at this little game for over a year now. consider that: over a year's worth of your free time (which is a lot of free time) dedicated to a fight that you cannot win and for a dumb cause

consider what other people your age are doing, probably playing games outside while gaining an understanding of social cues, acceptable behavior, boundaries, etc. which are useful things to understand considering that, you know, people your age are doing things like dating semi-seriously, and later on those things will help you when you have a real job

again, what have you been doing while your schoolmates are doing these things? throwing away your free time for the sake of a fight you will never win.

think 'bout that for a while and then consider the whole "spend the rest of this wednesday afternoon gaining nothing" thing


You have to understand that he probably understands what you are saying but simply thinks that the cause he is fighting for is important enough. When it comes to choosing which hill to die on, aspies tend to want to die on every hill they can. In simple terms, PG is doing this not because he enjoys it or because its a leisurely activity but because he feels strongly that it is the right thing to do.

There are few things more stubborn than an aspie that thinks he is doing the right thing. I myself often have great difficulty in realizing when to back down from something I feel is a noble endeavor.


The only way you are going to shut him down or convince him that he has better things to do is to formulate a seriously potent argument that both appeals to his position and articulates the numerous alternative outcomes that would/could be more desirable than the ones he is chasing.


Since you are quite a bit older than Prencleeve, you should talk to him about your experiences in social situations and your techniques for handling them.
Maybe after talking to a likeminded individual he will see that it is possible to get help, even if it is just by talking to a friend about your issues instead of making threads like this.


I laughed.

Bobb
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#138 - 2012-10-31 15:28:49 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
You have to understand that he probably understands what you are saying but simply thinks that the cause he is fighting for is important enough. When it comes to choosing which hill to die on, aspies tend to want to die on every hill they can. In simple terms, PG is doing this not because he enjoys it or because its a leisurely activity but because he feels strongly that it is the right thing to do.

There are few things more stubborn than an aspie that thinks he is doing the right thing. I myself often have great difficulty in realizing when to back down from something I feel is a noble endeavor.


The only way you are going to shut him down or convince him that he has better things to do is to formulate a seriously potent argument that both appeals to his position and articulates the numerous alternative outcomes that would/could be more desirable than the ones he is chasing.


I don't know, I figured "hey, other dudes your age are kissing girls and you're fighting for some ~noble~ e-cause that you can't win anyway" would drive the point home

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#139 - 2012-10-31 15:29:07 UTC
Andski wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
You have to understand that he probably understands what you are saying but simply thinks that the cause he is fighting for is important enough. When it comes to choosing which hill to die on, aspies tend to want to die on every hill they can. In simple terms, PG is doing this not because he enjoys it or because its a leisurely activity but because he feels strongly that it is the right thing to do.

There are few things more stubborn than an aspie that thinks he is doing the right thing. I myself often have great difficulty in realizing when to back down from something I feel is a noble endeavor.


The only way you are going to shut him down or convince him that he has better things to do is to formulate a seriously potent argument that both appeals to his position and articulates the numerous alternative outcomes that would/could be more desirable than the ones he is chasing.


I don't know, I figured "hey, other dudes your age are kissing girls and you're fighting for some ~noble~ e-cause that you can't win anyway" would drive the point home


Can I not do both?

Bobb
Xenuria
#140 - 2012-10-31 15:29:18 UTC
Sir Marksalot wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Andski wrote:
hey prencleeve i realize that i'm basically just reiterating what you have been told so many times by now but this is v. serious:

you have been at this little game for over a year now. consider that: over a year's worth of your free time (which is a lot of free time) dedicated to a fight that you cannot win and for a dumb cause

consider what other people your age are doing, probably playing games outside while gaining an understanding of social cues, acceptable behavior, boundaries, etc. which are useful things to understand considering that, you know, people your age are doing things like dating semi-seriously, and later on those things will help you when you have a real job

again, what have you been doing while your schoolmates are doing these things? throwing away your free time for the sake of a fight you will never win.

think 'bout that for a while and then consider the whole "spend the rest of this wednesday afternoon gaining nothing" thing


You have to understand that he probably understands what you are saying but simply thinks that the cause he is fighting for is important enough. When it comes to choosing which hill to die on, aspies tend to want to die on every hill they can. In simple terms, PG is doing this not because he enjoys it or because its a leisurely activity but because he feels strongly that it is the right thing to do.

There are few things more stubborn than an aspie that thinks he is doing the right thing. I myself often have great difficulty in realizing when to back down from something I feel is a noble endeavor.


The only way you are going to shut him down or convince him that he has better things to do is to formulate a seriously potent argument that both appeals to his position and articulates the numerous alternative outcomes that would/could be more desirable than the ones he is chasing.


You have to realize that you're not the only one capable of reading people. Those with aspergers are not the only ones with that power!


I may not be the only person capable of reading people but I am better at it than most. I would think if people like andski understood how to read people at this level they would act with more understanding. PG is not all that complicated, he is a person like the rest of us and people have needs. PG's need appears to be vindication and acceptance. This is not uncommon for people like us. The need to be right often erodes the need to have friends.

CSM 12 Candidate