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Cultural elitism and the war against Pubdom - is this is the future of EVE?

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Eezee Gonozal
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#81 - 2012-10-31 13:20:56 UTC
Den Arius wrote:


There is one simply reason why they should be stopped. They upset people.


I have a little Youtube video for you regarding that topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gciegyiLYtY
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2012-10-31 13:21:33 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Den Arius wrote:
Admittedly, TEST are much more open. The thing is with WoW - the majority of corps were not elitist. In EVE, the entire northern section of the map (now invading further downwards..) is under the grasp of a volatile and rejectionist culture.

Don't worry, the only part of EVE that will matter soon enough is highsec.

You're safe under the eyes of CONCORD.


Goonie tears in yet another thread. Recruit more people, you'll feel better.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp
#83 - 2012-10-31 13:22:18 UTC
Hm, do I get you right that you're sort of a White Knight trying to help newbie players like me so they have a chance to get into CSF? Shocked

Too much effort, at least for me. Who wants to join the winning side and the mainstream? The poor scrubs and underdogs are much more appaling. Cool
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#84 - 2012-10-31 13:24:30 UTC
Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:
Hm, do I get you right that you're sort of a White Knight trying to help newbie players like me so they have a chance to get into CSF? Shocked

Too much effort, at least for me. Who wants to join the winning side and the mainstream? The poor scrubs and underdogs are much more appaling. Cool


No, EVE is a harsh world and I am not a "white-knight" or savior of the pubbies. I simply want to provide the non-elitists with a relaxed yet organized environment in which they can truly succeed in.

Bobb
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2012-10-31 13:25:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Aruken Marr
Den Arius wrote:
Fred Lodenstane wrote:


I'm in special education so a little of everything. I mostly work with kids with emotional or behavioral issues. I can't say for sure if you would be recommended for one of my classrooms (it's not easy to assess someone over forum posts, chat logs, and sound bytes) but based on what I've heard and seen your best option is stepping away from the keyboard and talking to someone face to face who will hear you out.


People aren't always who they seem on the internet.



So I take it that kid in the vid was a nephew/son you were feeding lines to? Atleast that's the impression I'm getting.
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#86 - 2012-10-31 13:25:38 UTC
Den Arius wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Den Arius wrote:
I feel that "pubbies" deserve the opportunities that the "non-pubbies" have.

They have the same opportunities. They can form their own alliances and invite their own friends from their own social communities and tell people they hate them because they post too much on forums. Nothing is preventing them from doing that.


Very true, however it takes dedication to bring in a large number of people from a solid community (not everybody is a part of a community which would be interested in EVE. What about the casuals who just want to play internet spaceships? Should they have to endure this attack?



oh god not effort! CCP nerf effort!.

Life is hard and so is EVE.
Dave stark
#87 - 2012-10-31 13:27:17 UTC
Den Arius wrote:
I simply want to provide the non-elitists with a relaxed yet organized environment in which they can truly succeed in.


you mean, the exact thing test provides?

you just seem like some bitter person who hasn't got a clue about the topic at hand here.
Fred Lodenstane
Lizard Ltd
#88 - 2012-10-31 13:27:24 UTC
Den Arius wrote:
Fred Lodenstane wrote:
Den Arius wrote:
Fred Lodenstane wrote:
Preencleeve,

Please stop posting and get some professional help. This culture of elitism that you're trying to campaign against really isn't there. I'm in Dreddit with a reddit account that has zero posts to it, and beyond the trash talking in local there is no elitist attitude that all TESTies and Goons have toward the rest of EVE. Sure we sperg about our enemies and point out their flaws, but that's no different than any other coalition or alliance in the game. Goons and TEST rejected you because of who you are, not because of their origins or cultural perspective.

Just stop while your right now. You need to step away from the computer and go have a real life. Find some to talk to who will hear you out, a friend or a professional, and sort out your problems. That's my professional opinion as an educator.


What do you teach?


I'm in special education so a little of everything. I mostly work with kids with emotional or behavioral issues. I can't say for sure if you would be recommended for one of my classrooms (it's not easy to assess someone over forum posts, chat logs, and sound bytes) but based on what I've heard and seen your best option is stepping away from the keyboard and talking to someone face to face who will hear you out.


People aren't always who they seem on the internet.


This is true but your obsession with Goons and TEST, which has gone on for at least a year is not good. You started out idolizing Goons, was recruitment scammed, then got an SA account which was banned for some reason I don't know and then developed a hatred for Goons and their affiliates because you felt your character was attacked when it really wasn't. Your efforts to get into TEST play out pretty much the same way.

Seriously, this type of obsession born from a misplaced hatred is unhealthy. Get help.
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#89 - 2012-10-31 13:27:40 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Den Arius wrote:
I simply want to provide the non-elitists with a relaxed yet organized environment in which they can truly succeed in.


you mean, the exact thing test provides?

you just seem like some bitter person who hasn't got a clue about the topic at hand here.


TEST won't let me in though. Explain that?

Bobb
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#90 - 2012-10-31 13:28:57 UTC
Fred Lodenstane wrote:
Den Arius wrote:
Fred Lodenstane wrote:
Den Arius wrote:
Fred Lodenstane wrote:
Preencleeve,

Please stop posting and get some professional help. This culture of elitism that you're trying to campaign against really isn't there. I'm in Dreddit with a reddit account that has zero posts to it, and beyond the trash talking in local there is no elitist attitude that all TESTies and Goons have toward the rest of EVE. Sure we sperg about our enemies and point out their flaws, but that's no different than any other coalition or alliance in the game. Goons and TEST rejected you because of who you are, not because of their origins or cultural perspective.

Just stop while your right now. You need to step away from the computer and go have a real life. Find some to talk to who will hear you out, a friend or a professional, and sort out your problems. That's my professional opinion as an educator.


What do you teach?


I'm in special education so a little of everything. I mostly work with kids with emotional or behavioral issues. I can't say for sure if you would be recommended for one of my classrooms (it's not easy to assess someone over forum posts, chat logs, and sound bytes) but based on what I've heard and seen your best option is stepping away from the keyboard and talking to someone face to face who will hear you out.


People aren't always who they seem on the internet.


This is true but your obsession with Goons and TEST, which has gone on for at least a year is not good. You started out idolizing Goons, was recruitment scammed, then got an SA account which was banned for some reason I don't know and then developed a hatred for Goons and their affiliates because you felt your character was attacked when it really wasn't. Your efforts to get into TEST play out pretty much the same way.

Seriously, this type of obsession born from a misplaced hatred is unhealthy. Get help.


I am a very happy and social person. I feel that being content with life is all that matters, don't you agree?

Bobb
Dave stark
#91 - 2012-10-31 13:30:13 UTC
Den Arius wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Den Arius wrote:
I simply want to provide the non-elitists with a relaxed yet organized environment in which they can truly succeed in.


you mean, the exact thing test provides?

you just seem like some bitter person who hasn't got a clue about the topic at hand here.


TEST won't let me in though. Explain that?


perhaps because you make absolutely stupid topics like this?
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#92 - 2012-10-31 13:36:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Karrl Tian
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
So you complain about the existence of other forums that deal with eve. Ok.


No, he's complaining about the elitism of out-of-game communities versus the ones in game. Which is bull because there's plenty of in-game corps/alliances that require dumb things like interviews and background checks and ugh, "waiting periods" just like the big ones.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#93 - 2012-10-31 13:37:37 UTC
Den Arius wrote:
TEST won't let me in though. Explain that?

Corps in TEST let in two of the most annoying and incompetent pilots I've ever met in this game. One of them is also the single least trustworthy pilot I've ever met.

Those guys got in just fine. If they won't let you in then you're obviously even less desirable than those dudes.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#94 - 2012-10-31 13:44:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Den Arius wrote:


In other MMOs, these "communities" do not verbally attack, reject and generally abuse people who aren't part of their little group. I have no problem with folks getting together from other areas of the internet/rl, however I have a problem with such folks using this to give themselves a sense of "I'm better than you" over everybody else.


There is only 1 group that actually does what you say that I've seen, and that's Goons. TEST usually run around calling themselves ****, and they do have some corps that openly recruit. Goons go under a different motto.

Eternity, WIdot and some of the non-English corporations do open recruitment.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#95 - 2012-10-31 13:55:11 UTC
Den Arius wrote:
It is happening, right here! Cultural elitism! They are persecuting me because I do not post in the style that they would like me to post in. This is outright rejection because I don't share their culture.



"Boo hoo! MAKE THEM LIKE ME!"

Didn't you learn your lesson after the last time? Do we have to ask a certain someone we both know to call your parents again and tell them that you're once again stirring **** up because you just can't accept that a group of people doesn't want to let you join their club?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#96 - 2012-10-31 13:56:02 UTC
Den Arius wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Den Arius wrote:
I simply want to provide the non-elitists with a relaxed yet organized environment in which they can truly succeed in.


you mean, the exact thing test provides?

you just seem like some bitter person who hasn't got a clue about the topic at hand here.


TEST won't let me in though. Explain that?


It's because you're incredibly unlikeable in every way.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#97 - 2012-10-31 14:01:55 UTC
One problem.

I joined SA after I joined goons. I was "recruited" from in game, and I joined SA of my own free will when I saw the art forums. No one asked me to join or ever told me to join.
Fred Lodenstane
Lizard Ltd
#98 - 2012-10-31 14:02:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Fred Lodenstane
Den Arius wrote:
Fred Lodenstane wrote:


This is true but your obsession with Goons and TEST, which has gone on for at least a year is not good. You started out idolizing Goons, was recruitment scammed, then got an SA account which was banned for some reason I don't know and then developed a hatred for Goons and their affiliates because you felt your character was attacked when it really wasn't. Your efforts to get into TEST play out pretty much the same way.

Seriously, this type of obsession born from a misplaced hatred is unhealthy. Get help.


I am a very happy and social person. I feel that being content with life is all that matters, don't you agree?


Good then, you should invite them to EVE and you can play together with them in your own tolerant community. Stop chasing shadows though. You were permabanned from from Goons and TEST because you were scammed, not due to the culture. Just drop this vendetta you have now and you'll be even more content with your life. Trust me, being vendetta free is liberating.

Anyway I'm done. Good luck on your crusade against some nonexistent elitist attitude. You should really just drop it though.
xwolfi
#99 - 2012-10-31 14:09:31 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
One problem.

I joined SA after I joined goons. I was "recruited" from in game, and I joined SA of my own free will when I saw the art forums. No one asked me to join or ever told me to join.


You mean https://wiki.goonfleet.com/Joining_GoonWaffe is a scam ?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#100 - 2012-10-31 14:09:35 UTC
Den Arius wrote:
There is one simply reason why they should be stopped. They upset people.



Your shitposting upsets me. You need to be stopped.

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