EVE General Discussion

Reddit, Something Awful and the the Arcade Penny forums. These are all external communities which have reformed inside EVE Online as alliances and corporations - manifested mainly in Test Alliance: Please Ignore and the Goonswarm Federation. This alliances are arguably the most successful in the game, and are without a doubt the largest 0.0 entities. Why? Presumably it would be to with the cultural and social ties in which these "communities" already have? Personally, I think it is more to do with "trust" issues corporations have with recruiting complete strangers - it is much easier to trust somebody who shares the same social ties with yourself.

The way in which SA and Reddit have brought themselves into EVE is understandable, however these corporations have taken "community spirit" to an entirely new level of disgusting elitism and rejection. Being a member of these communities isn't enough anymore, there are strict posting requirements which members must meet before being able to join these alliances. Test Alliance is regularly rejecting 2 year + active posters on Reddit because they're posting several threads everyday. It is absolutely shocking! Whether it is cultural paranoia or a fear of spies -- this is not good.

Some of you may remember the infamous Band of Brothers - they were rejecting anybody who did not meet their criteria for ~elite PVP~. BOB had ludicrous SP requirements and a strong stance against the new player base of New Eden (they were the equivalent of the racist old man who lives next door). Can you see the similarities between what is going on in the HBC and CFC and what BOB was doing all of those years ago?

The problems I have with cultural elitism:
- It is largely ignored as a problem in EVE - the pubbies seem to just allow themselves to be trampled on
- Goonswarm has actively made a stance against elitism - do they live up to this stance?
- Pubbies are deprived of the opportunities given to "non-pubbies"

People are not members of these communities have been given very negative nicknames - Pubbie and Publord are popular amongst the Goons. JFG (join for guild) is also a popular slur, as well as just outright naming them out as a "spai". The non-pubbies are frequently attacked verbally and physically by these alliances. Scams are played out against pubbies by creating entire websites set out for griefing pubbies (you are a fool if you give away your ISK to join an alliance, however the scam-websites do make the deposits look surprisingly legitimate). It has created a division in EVE, the Pubdom and the ~cultural elites~. A few months ago, The Mittani was launching a cultural purge of what he defined as ~bad posting~ within his space empire. We are seeing very dark and grim social relations develop here in New Eden - a different kind of elitism. I'd like to know your thoughts on this growing trend in EVE and more importantly - how we can stop it.

TLDR: Pubbies are being attacked and rejected because they're not friends with Goons/TEST or share the same culture. Is this the future? Can we stop it?

- Den
Prencleeve Grothsmore
General Secretary of the Forestry Commision
Founder of the Grizzly Bears Alliance

I'm complaining about the following:

- People who aren't a member of these "external" forums have significantly less opportunities in null sec
- The generalization of a very diverse group of people
- The cultural elitism
- Active and long-standing members of these communities are being rejected because of strict posting requirements

You didn't explain why you feel it needs to be stopped.

It has begun again.

They have the same opportunities. They can form their own alliances and invite their own friends from their own social communities and tell people they hate them because they post too much on forums. Nothing is preventing them from doing that.

Very true, however it takes dedication to bring in a large number of people from a solid community (not everybody is a part of a community which would be interested in EVE. What about the casuals who just want to play internet spaceships? Should they have to endure this attack?

[quote=Brooks Puuntail
Community corps/guilds are nothing new in MMOs. It even isn't anything new in Eve.

About your "stopping it" idea, usually they implode by themselves. So no need to do anything really.[/quote]

In other MMOs, these "communities" do not verbally attack, reject and generally abuse people who aren't part of their little group. I have no problem with folks getting together from other areas of the internet/rl, however I have a problem with such folks using this to give themselves a sense of "I'm better than you" over everybody else.

i dont haev a reddit account, im in TEST. mad because rejected bro?


wololo

Yes. I think this is where your argument falls apart.

I thought bears were supposed to **** in the woods, not on the forums.

It seems he was refused because he makes too many dumb threads on Reddit.