Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Edited previous post.

I'm not saying its perfect. But as I put in my edit, a countdown timer after undocking or decloacking after coming through a gate could reduce that. It would still be open to some abuse, but its still an improvement on the current situation. That realisticly leaves deliberate bumping and accidental bumping through not paying attention.

Fresh idea here.. Aslong the bumber is in player corp you could get some friends and suicide gank/wardeck the bumbers corp. Kill their highsec poses and indrustialist etc. Or get merc corp on it.. Ofc decking should be done with different corp where your miners are or you cant mine or just put your miners to npc corp

If your lucky it might even get said bumber kicked out of his corp unless its npc corp or hes the ceo

But whats really sad tbh. Doesnt these bumbers have anything else to do. Anything else to spend their subscrition. Just think how much isk they could do if they shot rats instead of spending time on bumbing

So, let's get the OP of this thread together with the OP of the anti-AFK thread.

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Class any bump after undock timer expires as aggressive unless its a war target or your in same alliance, corp or fleet. Problem solved

I still think each of these things can be mitigated.

Who said anything about a 10 second timer. Takes longer than that to hit warp with a freighter. call it double the time a freighter needs to warp.

Concorded in seconds, how do you work that out? Thats assuming about 10 bumps will drop you from 0.0 standing to -5.0. I said a small amount of security loss, probably just less than the gain from killing rat cruiser. I cant say I have the exact maths worked out for the calculation, but hey, this is still very much an idea that popped into my head during my origional post.

Also, its just good protocol to have an insta-warp point in front of the undock of the main hubs that you use. Personally I have 5 in front of Jita 4-4, one of which is over 2,000,000 km.

Aggression from bumping is the way to go . As for how to tell if it's an aggressive bump or not, that's easy too. If the offending party has his Prop mod turned on when he runs into another ship then that is considered an aggressive action. If you are sitting on the undock of Jita 4-4 with you MWD or AB running then everyone who bumps into you is well within their rights to take action. That doesn't mean they will but it would clear up the ships running prop mods outside a station undock real quick.

The session change is ten seconds, I don't do station games, is the undock timer longer than that?

How many ships are there at zero on the jita undock? Hit them enough times and you're in trouble. Of course, if the sec loss is so tiny that killing one single rat cruiser will fix it, this entire proposal is utterly pointless.

Not everyone has insta undocks, and not everyone who does have them can be arsed to use the things. I certainly can't.

Ok, for the benefit of those who are unaware of the actual issue being discussed, here it is:

It is currently possible, (and actually not very difficult,) for a faster, more agile ship to bump a miner out of range of the belt they are mining. Because it takes so long for the barge to realign and stabilise itself, the bumper can continue to bump them further and further away. There is no way to warp away either as this process will prevent the barge from aligning. The usual ship I have seen used for this is a stabber fleet issue with MWD and what I'm guessing is a 1600mm plate and some nanofibers.

The same technique is also used on orca and freighter pilots. Bumping them continuously until they fork over extortion money. Nano fit battleship does that very well.

There is currently zero comeback on this. Technically, it was against the EULA but that has been clarified. It's ok now and its only harassment if it doesn't make profit.

So, like every other form of making profit, there should be risk and consequences. That's the stand point of the 'victims' anyway.

Carebear right here. I haven't called for agro or concord. Some have, not all. So let's drop the generalised idea that all Carebears are pant wetting bot miners.

Sandbox means people can play any way we want. Some like highsec, so that's up to them. Some like to con and swindle their way through the game. That's their right. Some like to gank the hell out of targets that they know can't or won't fight back. What ever floats your boat.