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Balancing Covert ops cloacking device.
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Wulfy Johnson
NorCorp Security
#1 - 2012-10-31 03:02:41 UTC
Well this is gonna be flamed:)

Its one of the finest moduels in eve, and for its it intended use its great for gameplay. But i feel that its power is to great and it also allows for a gameplay that i feel is drain for many peoples enjoyment of the game, including mine.

therfore suggestion is simple:
Add a duration timer on it, say 10-15mins, or more for that sake, since you should be able to do the most important RL stuff before timer goes out (If not flamed out, duration is something to discuss.)

This will limit afk playing when not behind the computer, so that some people around eve can do some low level logistics at least some hours of the clock.

Secondly it will give us the possibility to accually scanning down and combating threats during a day.

So the only difference for those in intel gathering, hunting and other departments of Eve, is that they have to look at that account before timer runs out take a short warp and reactivate cloack.

But i feel that it would make Eve a better place and give us more interresting kills.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2 - 2012-10-31 03:31:53 UTC
Please take a look through the forums for many, many versions of this very idea (and why it's bad).
Iam a Spy2
solo and loveing it
#3 - 2012-10-31 03:32:04 UTC
Wulfy Johnson wrote:
Well this is gonna be flamed:)

Its one of the finest moduels in eve, and for its it intended use its great for gameplay. But i feel that its power is to great and it also allows for a gameplay that i feel is drain for many peoples enjoyment of the game, including mine.

therfore suggestion is simple:
Add a duration timer on it, say 10-15mins, or more for that sake, since you should be able to do the most important RL stuff before timer goes out (If not flamed out, duration is something to discuss.)

This will limit afk playing when not behind the computer, so that some people around eve can do some low level logistics at least some hours of the clock.

Secondly it will give us the possibility to accually scanning down and combating threats during a day.

So the only difference for those in intel gathering, hunting and other departments of Eve, is that they have to look at that account before timer runs out take a short warp and reactivate cloack.

But i feel that it would make Eve a better place and give us more interresting kills.



Stop crying about afk cloakers they not hurting anyone. You just to damn scared to do anything because someone sitting in local grow a pair.
Jin alPatar
Entertainment 7wenty
The Burning Contingent Alliance
#4 - 2012-10-31 05:06:40 UTC
Iam a Spy2 wrote:

Stop crying about afk cloakers they not hurting anyone. You just to damn scared to do anything because someone sitting in local grow a pair.


Why don't we just counter this by showing EVERYONE in local. Logged on, logged off, AFK, AK. EVERYONE!

Then you NEVER know what's going on!

This also solves the problem in that you'll no longer be scared of AFK cloakers!
Wulfy Johnson
NorCorp Security
#5 - 2012-10-31 05:16:39 UTC
To adress the two replyes that has come, and the ones that will come of the same type.

No not crying, pressing for semi active gameplay. opening a possibility to hunt the hunters. heck the duration can be 1-2-3 hours for all i care, but at least i have a chance of using gameplay to hunt for mistakes. dscanning for cloack timers, scanning for decloack timers and so on..

im not suggesting something outrageous here or something timeconsuming, just a little adjustment that allows for more game"play".

"You just to damn scared to do anything because someone sitting in local grow a pair"

Gotta love that sentence.

So what you are suggesting is that i jump in a ship and try to bait you to decloack, spend hours in and out in the hopes that you are accually behind your screen? or jump a gate in a juicy cargoship that will pop? or perhaps jump into a belt, and start mining? or even think that you will decloack for a ship that can challenge you?

As the hunter has the option to search out targets, the hunter should also be subject of hunting, even dough a limitied one as im suggesting.

And for future posts hinting to other unspecified treads, please put a link in pleace.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#6 - 2012-10-31 07:20:40 UTC
Wulfy Johnson wrote:
Well this is gonna be flamed:)

Its one of the finest moduels in eve, and for its it intended use its great for gameplay. But i feel that its power is to great and it also allows for a gameplay that i feel is drain for many peoples enjoyment of the game, including mine.

therfore suggestion is simple:
Add a duration timer on it, say 10-15mins, or more for that sake, since you should be able to do the most important RL stuff before timer goes out (If not flamed out, duration is something to discuss.)

This will limit afk playing when not behind the computer, so that some people around eve can do some low level logistics at least some hours of the clock.

Secondly it will give us the possibility to accually scanning down and combating threats during a day.

So the only difference for those in intel gathering, hunting and other departments of Eve, is that they have to look at that account before timer runs out take a short warp and reactivate cloack.

But i feel that it would make Eve a better place and give us more interresting kills.


Oh for crying out loud, another one of these stupid carebear cry threads?

The cloak is already balanced as a tonne of penalties are piled on top of the ships.

PS: All this talk of "balance" coming from these threads is completely dishonest because it IS balanced. Admit that you are a risk averse undesirable who wants 100% safety in nullsec. Go on. Admit it. Man up.

At least the carebears in highsec have the balls to admit they are risk averse
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#7 - 2012-10-31 08:31:46 UTC
f*ck off
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#8 - 2012-10-31 08:37:45 UTC
Another thread about afk cloakers Shocked

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Citizen of Solitude
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2012-10-31 10:11:13 UTC
Wulfy Johnson wrote:
Well this is gonna be flamed:)

Its one of the finest moduels in eve, and for its it intended use its great for gameplay. But i feel that its power is to great and it also allows for a gameplay that i feel is drain for many peoples enjoyment of the game, including mine.

therfore suggestion is simple:
Add a duration timer on it, say 10-15mins, or more for that sake, since you should be able to do the most important RL stuff before timer goes out (If not flamed out, duration is something to discuss.)

This will limit afk playing when not behind the computer, so that some people around eve can do some low level logistics at least some hours of the clock.

Secondly it will give us the possibility to accually scanning down and combating threats during a day.

So the only difference for those in intel gathering, hunting and other departments of Eve, is that they have to look at that account before timer runs out take a short warp and reactivate cloack.

But i feel that it would make Eve a better place and give us more interresting kills.



Yes! In order to nerf people who are not at the keyboard, we need to ruin bombers, recons, black ops, hotdrops, cloaky gatecamps, blockade runners, covert T3s, scouting, hiding....


You're in a nullsec alliance. Deal with it.
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-10-31 11:37:26 UTC
Wulfy Johnson wrote:
Well this is gonna be flamed:)

Its one of the finest moduels in eve, and for its it intended use its great for gameplay. But i feel that its power is to great and it also allows for a gameplay that i feel is drain for many peoples enjoyment of the game, including mine.

therfore suggestion is simple:
Add a duration timer on it, say 10-15mins, or more for that sake, since you should be able to do the most important RL stuff before timer goes out (If not flamed out, duration is something to discuss.)

This will limit afk playing when not behind the computer, so that some people around eve can do some low level logistics at least some hours of the clock.

Secondly it will give us the possibility to accually scanning down and combating threats during a day.

So the only difference for those in intel gathering, hunting and other departments of Eve, is that they have to look at that account before timer runs out take a short warp and reactivate cloack.

But i feel that it would make Eve a better place and give us more interresting kills.


Welcome to EvE, new player.

Your "issue" has been discussed since 2006 (or even longer) and the arguments and facts against it haven't changed since then.

Please do a forum search.

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.
Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-10-31 13:47:37 UTC
Jin alPatar wrote:
Iam a Spy2 wrote:

Stop crying about afk cloakers they not hurting anyone. You just to damn scared to do anything because someone sitting in local grow a pair.


Why don't we just counter this by showing EVERYONE in local. Logged on, logged off, AFK, AK. EVERYONE!

Then you NEVER know what's going on!

This also solves the problem in that you'll no longer be scared of AFK cloakers!


LOL, puttin an AFK marker on player name in local would realy solve most issues and create better opportunities of gameplay.

Please read these!

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Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#12 - 2012-10-31 13:56:26 UTC
For the love of monkeys....

First, AFK Cloaking is a symptom of the real problem. it is a reaction to something.
As it is not the root cause for it's existence, you cannot remove it without something else that would bother you for the same reason.

Even my signature has a response to this line of logic you presented.

If you want to remove the symptom, eliminate the cause.
AFK Cloaking is a reaction to Local Chat providing flawless no effort intel. It's objective is to force the existance of information you cannot take action on without either disregarding it with risk, or forcing you into inactivity.
In short, it is their to lower the value of local chat's intel.

Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked...
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#13 - 2012-10-31 14:27:41 UTC
Wulfy Johnson wrote:
Well this is gonna be flamed:)


wumbo
Jin alPatar
Entertainment 7wenty
The Burning Contingent Alliance
#14 - 2012-10-31 14:36:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Jin alPatar
Nikk Narrel wrote:
For the love of monkeys....

First, AFK Cloaking is a symptom of the real problem. it is a reaction to something.
As it is not the root cause for it's existence, you cannot remove it without something else that would bother you for the same reason.

Even my signature has a response to this line of logic you presented.

If you want to remove the symptom, eliminate the cause.
AFK Cloaking is a reaction to Local Chat providing flawless no effort intel. It's objective is to force the existance of information you cannot take action on without either disregarding it with risk, or forcing you into inactivity.
In short, it is their to lower the value of local chat's intel.



Anyone know if it's against the EULa to make a forum bot that auto replies to AFK cloaky threads? Personally I think we'd be doing a service to set something like that up.


And back on topic: If you want to see how someone presents a realistic solution to this 'problem' look at this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=47868
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#15 - 2012-10-31 14:39:06 UTC
Jin alPatar wrote:
Nikk Narrel wrote:
For the love of monkeys....

First, AFK Cloaking is a symptom of the real problem. it is a reaction to something.
As it is not the root cause for it's existence, you cannot remove it without something else that would bother you for the same reason.

Even my signature has a response to this line of logic you presented.

If you want to remove the symptom, eliminate the cause.
AFK Cloaking is a reaction to Local Chat providing flawless no effort intel. It's objective is to force the existance of information you cannot take action on without either disregarding it with risk, or forcing you into inactivity.
In short, it is their to lower the value of local chat's intel.



Anyone know if it's against the EULa to make a forum bot that auto replies to AFK cloaky threads? Personally I think we'd be doing a service to set something like that up.

I think we need to eliminate the bot creating them first.

Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked...
Mag's
Azn Empire
#16 - 2012-10-31 23:49:19 UTC
To the OP. Why are you not suggesting a change, to the cause of AFKing?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#17 - 2012-11-01 00:05:21 UTC
Same idea, same post, different char, about once a week. Been a special week this time, ive seen 3 of these. One of them the moderator shut down quickly. Other two breezed on through.

/chuckle

Welcome to a very small part of what 0.0 is supposed to be. Dark, scary, and paranoid. Sounds like WAI to me. ;)

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
rothmal
Vengance Inc.
#18 - 2012-11-01 00:21:53 UTC
im a bomber and recon pilot and if this were to happen you would ruin the whole class. You should not worry about afk cloaker's you need to be worried about active pvpers like me.
Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#19 - 2012-11-01 02:29:05 UTC
easy enough.. bring juicy bait ship. and wait.

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Shepard Book
Underground Stargate
#20 - 2012-11-01 04:44:35 UTC
Wulfy Johnson wrote:
Well this is gonna be flamed:)

Its one of the finest moduels in eve, and for its it intended use its great for gameplay. But i feel that its power is to great and it also allows for a gameplay that i feel is drain for many peoples enjoyment of the game, including mine.

therfore suggestion is simple:
Add a duration timer on it, say 10-15mins, or more for that sake, since you should be able to do the most important RL stuff before timer goes out (If not flamed out, duration is something to discuss.)

This will limit afk playing when not behind the computer, so that some people around eve can do some low level logistics at least some hours of the clock.

Secondly it will give us the possibility to accually scanning down and combating threats during a day.

So the only difference for those in intel gathering, hunting and other departments of Eve, is that they have to look at that account before timer runs out take a short warp and reactivate cloack.

But i feel that it would make Eve a better place and give us more interresting kills.



Just remove local and solve the free intel problem you are having.
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