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Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#41 - 2012-10-31 06:44:35 UTC
Ritsum wrote:
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
Ritsum wrote:
I will always PVE. If there was a valid reason to PVE in low/null that helped alliances/corps then I would be down there but there isn't.

I will always PVE because I suck at PVP. I would PVE anywhere but I choose to PVE in High sec because there is no reason for me to get into a low/null corp that would push PVP onto me as I try to PVE.

Bring on the hate and bring on the pain, in the end I will still be standing strong to my play style.


Gankers love you, because they can bring the pain forever.



I bet they would, though they have never tried ganking me... I wonder why?


You're probably using your brain. Why bother with someone like that when there are plenty cretins around. Lol
Geligdio Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2012-10-31 09:45:38 UTC


Firstly I think getting emotional about it is a mistake. I don't hate anyone, I want this game to have a place for every different type of person in it.

I do think, however, every buff to High Sec is a nerf to Low and Null. Really there can only be one place which is the best to mine (that has the best materials with risk factored in) and one place where the best missions are and one place where the best manufacturing is.

I think it's a shame all the big trade hubs, a huge volume of cheap manufacturing slots, loads of minerals, loads of missions and loads of ICE are all in the protected area of the game. I think this makes it too good for the risks you incur living there, and I think the fact that 71% of players live there is proof of this.

Yeah a lot of players who live in High Sec say "leave us alone", but why wouldn't they, they have, by far, the best environment in the game.

I think people subscribe to this game because it is awesome, that awesomeness should be protected. The game should be balanced so a third of players live in each of High, Low and Null. Then everyone has a thriving place to go for whatever they want to do.

And if people say "if you Nerf the thing we like we will quit" then what is the point of courting them to stay in the game, they're gonna rage quit over something at some point.

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Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#43 - 2012-10-31 10:23:29 UTC
White Quake wrote:
Hello

Below i am going to highlight issues i have with the current PvP pilot attitude towards PvE players.



The people I hate are bad posters.

You are one of them.

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Tubrug1
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-10-31 10:26:32 UTC
chekerss
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#45 - 2012-10-31 10:37:01 UTC
Every single player in our wonderful game is a PvP player, whether you like it or not....... :) Twisted
Ritsum
Perkone
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-10-31 10:56:26 UTC
Tubrug1 wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40762
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101626

This sums it up quite well.



Tried to read it but got bored. All he is saying is that carebears like me who enjoy to kill rats and roll around in a policed area are to blame for the lack of balls null sec has with fighting each other.

Not everyone enjoys shooting other player ships, sure everyone should give it a go but if they do not like it why should they be forced to do it?

In the end if there was pve in null sec that would benefit corps and alliances I would find a nice big alliance and kill rats in there policed areas... But until I can be useful in null sec, I am staying in high sec because there is no real benefit of me jumping down to a null area kill some rats while shitting myself as people come and go in the system then leave null to sell my finds if I get any.

And do not just say "Oh suck it up and join a corp/alliance!" Because guess what! those corps and alliances just want you to go back to high sec and gank/harass the carebears again.

Even if they don't send us to high sec to kill carebears they still want us for PvP not Pve and since I suck at PvP that aint gonna happen.

Play EvE how you want to play it and do not let others dictate how you play. Evolve your playstyle to protect yourself from others! Even in "PVE", "PVP" is there, lurking in the shadows.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#47 - 2012-10-31 11:00:18 UTC
"PVE" players need to accept the fact that this entire game is PVP. Their stupid mining, missioning, etc has a massive impact on the price and availability of items for every single player. They have an influence on every single player in EVE, it is only fair that every player be able to equally affect them.

If you want pure, uninterrupted pve play a different game
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#48 - 2012-10-31 11:02:22 UTC
Also what's with the lumping wormhole players in with the scummy PVE bears? The majority of wormholers are heavily invested in PVP. We care as little for the carebearing filth as any 0.0 player
White Quake
Doomheim
#49 - 2012-10-31 12:27:45 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
High Sec Bears need to back up off my LowNull industry. You all make it hard on me to turn a profit. I consider High Sec Bears to be griefing my play style.

This. Totally this.

How about the OP stop forcing his playstyle on me. Seems to be a common line for people who refuse to accept that CCP's game is based entirely around people being able to impact each other, regardless of where in the game you play; so why shouldn't it apply to me as a null sec industrialist who is being undermined by the mass farming of meta loot that obsoletes a lot of the **** I build.

Your farmed loot is more than a valid reason for me to want you guys blown up at every turn.


In what way does a high sec player force his play style on you? They don't, they go about there business and have PvP pilots interfering with them non stop. Please don't post immature comments like this as it is absolute rubbish. PvE pilots don't care about null, war, pvp, but yet you seem to constantly get them involved. Seems a tad immature.

Very silly attitude
White Quake
Doomheim
#50 - 2012-10-31 12:28:34 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
"PVE" players need to accept the fact that this entire game is PVP. Their stupid mining, missioning, etc has a massive impact on the price and availability of items for every single player. They have an influence on every single player in EVE, it is only fair that every player be able to equally affect them.

If you want pure, uninterrupted pve play a different game


And who drives prices up on ships and modules? 0.0 PVP alliances, not the PvE players the null sec gankageddons and such

Another nonsense comment
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#51 - 2012-10-31 12:30:12 UTC
I think that was his point.

Oh god.
bufnitza calatoare
#52 - 2012-10-31 12:37:56 UTC

When a pvp player "pays" to play EvE Online, they should not then be forced to play how a Noob PvE pilot demands he does, it is beyond selfish.


In other words. don't force others to play your way, its a double edge sword.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#53 - 2012-10-31 12:51:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
Players who like Pve will not suddenly start doing PvP. They will leave the game. And then you cannot shoot them. Whats the point of driving away all the targets?

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Robert De'Arneth
#54 - 2012-10-31 12:54:17 UTC
Um jeez people, play how you want. CCP will be the one who in the end that sets the rules, play until you have no more fun. CCP is not the only horse in the world, just the most fun at this point in time. At the end of the day do what you enjoy. I enjoy buying ships, I found that mining lets me keep in ships, with the least ammount of work. I do not care if other people hate me for it. Opinions of nerds sitting behind a cumputer have no effect at all. Get some slef esteem and learn to ignore jibes.

I have seen CCP devs state many times, High Sec will never be 100% safe, accept this as fact of EVE online. Big smile




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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#55 - 2012-10-31 12:58:33 UTC
White Quake wrote:

When a player "pays" to play EvE Online, they should not then be forced to play how a PvP pilot demands he does, it is beyond selfish.


When a player "pays" to play online he should not be forced to pay prices how an industry pilot demands he does, it is beyond selfish



"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#56 - 2012-10-31 13:00:27 UTC
White Quake wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
High Sec Bears need to back up off my LowNull industry. You all make it hard on me to turn a profit. I consider High Sec Bears to be griefing my play style.

This. Totally this.

How about the OP stop forcing his playstyle on me. Seems to be a common line for people who refuse to accept that CCP's game is based entirely around people being able to impact each other, regardless of where in the game you play; so why shouldn't it apply to me as a null sec industrialist who is being undermined by the mass farming of meta loot that obsoletes a lot of the **** I build.

Your farmed loot is more than a valid reason for me to want you guys blown up at every turn.


In what way does a high sec player force his play style on you? They don't, they go about there business...


Their business competes with mine. They are in fact PvPing, but with market orders rather than lasers.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ritsum
Perkone
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-10-31 13:02:05 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
White Quake wrote:

When a player "pays" to play EvE Online, they should not then be forced to play how a PvP pilot demands he does, it is beyond selfish.


When a player "pays" to play online he should not be forced to pay prices how an industry pilot demands he does, it is beyond selfish






You are paying to play a sandbox game where most of the items are player made, if they make it they have the right to set it at any price they want.

If you are mad about it do something about it in game, it is a sandbox and you have every right to do something about it.

Eg: Gank transport ships.

Play EvE how you want to play it and do not let others dictate how you play. Evolve your playstyle to protect yourself from others! Even in "PVE", "PVP" is there, lurking in the shadows.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#58 - 2012-10-31 13:02:06 UTC
The more I read crap like the OP, the more I begin to understand why groups like the Goons exist. I've been fighting goons since my very 1st day as a shave-tail null sec newbie in Atlas Alliance up till now so I've always equate "Goon" with "Assclown" but now, not so much.

And it's because of these people like the OP and the high sec ONLY carebears and zealots hiding behind CONCORD's (ie CCP's) Skirts while being brave enough to talk trash on the forums.

I'm very much a "live and let live" type in game and in real life, but the more I hear this whining and crying from the most protected and coddled class of players in this game (the high sec crowd), the more I end up wanting to raise the virtual black flag and start slitting virtual throats....

Where do I sign up to start bumping and suicide ganking miners???
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#59 - 2012-10-31 13:07:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
Like you said, people have the option in eve to play HOWEVER they like.
Thus, if I, or anyone else, want to be a griefer to all carebears, miners and mission runners, that's my choice and saying it isnt the same is hypocritical in the highest degree.
If they don't like it, they can go ahead and do something about it, but no, instead they go and make useless forum threads like this one crying and moaning about how unfair eve is.

the best part is, each one of these threads make the griefers want to grief them more because the goal of griefing is not isk or KMs or fat loot, its the sweet, sweet, delicious tears.

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#60 - 2012-10-31 13:10:53 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
The more I read crap like the OP, the more I begin to understand why groups like the Goons exist. I've been fighting goons since my very 1st day as a shave-tail null sec newbie in Atlas Alliance up till now so I've always equate "Goon" with "Assclown" but now, not so much.

And it's because of these people like the OP and the high sec ONLY carebears and zealots hiding behind CONCORD's (ie CCP's) Skirts while being brave enough to talk trash on the forums.

I'm very much a "live and let live" type in game and in real life, but the more I hear this whining and crying from the most protected and coddled class of players in this game (the high sec crowd), the more I end up wanting to raise the virtual black flag and start slitting virtual throats....

Where do I sign up to start bumping and suicide ganking miners???


Another Agent of the New Order is born? Funny how miners being so greedy and self-entitled only exacerbates things.