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High Sec will burn

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JitaPriceChecker2
Doomheim
#101 - 2012-11-02 18:16:21 UTC
Metal Icarus wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
you think goons and friends won't reset each other just for ***** and giggles.

i'll wager they will.


I too, bet this will happen. After the delve war, I figured this is the only way it could end....

for ***** and giggles.


It wont happen as long as tech moons are still wort as much.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#102 - 2012-11-02 18:23:07 UTC
once null sov becomes even less valuable will people move to seize more space
Spy 21
Doomheim
#103 - 2012-11-02 18:26:51 UTC
I would think declaring war on hi-sec would be more boring than ratting in 0.0.

More likely... massive resets.

...


OK.... OMG that was profound.

...

S

Obfuscation for the WIN on page 3...

Anslo
Scope Works
#104 - 2012-11-02 18:28:17 UTC
JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:
Metal Icarus wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
you think goons and friends won't reset each other just for ***** and giggles.

i'll wager they will.


I too, bet this will happen. After the delve war, I figured this is the only way it could end....

for ***** and giggles.


It wont happen as long as tech moons are still wort as much.


But wouldn't the NAPs break apart in power grabs to take moons for themselves?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

KrakizBad
Section 8.
#105 - 2012-11-02 18:28:44 UTC
Anslo wrote:
JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:
Metal Icarus wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
you think goons and friends won't reset each other just for ***** and giggles.

i'll wager they will.


I too, bet this will happen. After the delve war, I figured this is the only way it could end....

for ***** and giggles.


It wont happen as long as tech moons are still wort as much.


But wouldn't the NAPs break apart in power grabs to take moons for themselves?

No.
Spy 21
Doomheim
#106 - 2012-11-02 18:29:56 UTC
Oh and ya...
harassment of empire dwellers (low and high sec) will continue and could become more prevalent...

But that only makes the game MORE interesting and would not result in any such thing as Eve dying.

S

Obfuscation for the WIN on page 3...

Anslo
Scope Works
#107 - 2012-11-02 18:33:59 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
No.

And this is based off?...
I'm not trying to troll but I'm curious. Would the CFC just say "screw it" and try to invade low/high? :S

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

KrakizBad
Section 8.
#108 - 2012-11-02 18:36:45 UTC
Anslo wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
No.

And this is based off?...
I'm not trying to troll but I'm curious. Would the CFC just say "screw it" and try to invade low/high? :S

It's a really long and complicated answer, but generally it comes down to our diplomatic corps working very hard.
Anslo
Scope Works
#109 - 2012-11-02 18:42:04 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Anslo wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
No.

And this is based off?...
I'm not trying to troll but I'm curious. Would the CFC just say "screw it" and try to invade low/high? :S

It's a really long and complicated answer, but generally it comes down to our diplomatic corps working very hard.


So you lot would never consider turning on each other? Or other coalition members? I just wouldn't know what you'd all do if everything became a big blue yonder in nul What?

But I know a few of your diplos. They really do work their butts off Bear

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

KrakizBad
Section 8.
#110 - 2012-11-02 18:45:39 UTC
Anslo wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Anslo wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
No.

And this is based off?...
I'm not trying to troll but I'm curious. Would the CFC just say "screw it" and try to invade low/high? :S

It's a really long and complicated answer, but generally it comes down to our diplomatic corps working very hard.


So you lot would never consider turning on each other? Or other coalition members? I just wouldn't know what you'd all do if everything became a big blue yonder in nul What?

But I know a few of your diplos. They really do work their butts off Bear

Well of course we would/will, it is just unlikely to be random.
Anslo
Scope Works
#111 - 2012-11-02 18:48:00 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Well of course we would/will, it is just unlikely to be random.

Ah, point taken Bear Thanks for clarifying! Been a while since I've been in nul so I don't know the current situation.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#112 - 2012-11-02 18:55:52 UTC
General Nusense wrote:
This will happen. Probably in the next year or less. Here is why.


If you look at todays influence map you will realize that its pretty much Goonswarm and Pets with some pockets of resistance. Well Ladies and Gentleman, Its about to become all blue from east to west, from north to south. At the current rate of expansion the southern pets will be pushing up to Solar space while the northern pets, with the 50 token GSF pilots in fleet, will push through to Geminate. This will leave just Goonswarm + pets in the north, Goonswarm Pet and PL meatshield TEST in the south and Solar in the east. Since TEST is still Blue to GoonSwarm Federation MK III this will create the "Sea of Blue" or "No targets left except in empire".

Lately TEST has been doing the Goon "MiniLuv' freighter ganks in the south. When asked about it, it was said that "empire pubbies sorta fight back" and "we really dont do much except blob a system to death and get no fights". The Ice interdiction, Hulkageddon and the Burn Jita events were to give Goon+Pets targets to shoot at. With the coming of the "Age of Blue" their efforts are going to be focused on Empire, where most of the player base lives.

Now you might be saying "Why would Goonswarm care about Empire when all they say is 'Empire is for pubbies, Null Sec is the only way to play EvE Online'", The reason is because they will not have anything to do in null sec except be carebears. Which they pretty much are. They are pretty much being forced to fight for Vale of the Silent even when most of Goonswarm is ratting in Deklien and laughing at their pets taking space and moons and not getting anything in return.

Since this is a "Sandbox" game, CCP will not do anything to limit the size of Blue Lists or numbers of people in alliances. WIth the war dec mechanics in place it is so expensive to war dec any of the bigger alliances you just end up being a sitting target. With the amount of people under the GoonSwarm umbrella they can Gank you all day long and you cant really do anything about it. Except to stay docked or not log in. Which is how the Goonswarm tactic works.

In closing,


Eve is dieing and will be a ghost universe in the near future.

This is just a bunch of filth and drivel that boils down to "CCP needs to force null players to shoot each other or they'll ruin the game".

It's just more BS propaganda to make it sound like there's a problem where none exists; in an effort to have the game altered from what it is, and into something it isn't. Some people just want a high sec themepark where they can fly around and do whatever they want without any risk, while they completely destroy an entire aspect of the game that many of us play EVE for, the market.

With the multitude of MMO's that allow you to farm your hearts out in absolute safety to support an auction house economy, one has to wonder why you're here, RUINING a prefectly good game.
JitaPriceChecker2
Doomheim
#113 - 2012-11-02 18:56:11 UTC
Anslo wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
No.

And this is based off?...
I'm not trying to troll but I'm curious. Would the CFC just say "screw it" and try to invade low/high? :S


Thats the myth that moons are worth fighting over.

While in reality after certain value they are worth NAP-ping over.

Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#114 - 2012-11-02 19:46:12 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
General Nusense wrote:
This will happen. Probably in the next year or less. Here is why.


If you look at todays influence map you will realize that its pretty much Goonswarm and Pets with some pockets of resistance. Well Ladies and Gentleman, Its about to become all blue from east to west, from north to south. At the current rate of expansion the southern pets will be pushing up to Solar space while the northern pets, with the 50 token GSF pilots in fleet, will push through to Geminate. This will leave just Goonswarm + pets in the north, Goonswarm Pet and PL meatshield TEST in the south and Solar in the east. Since TEST is still Blue to GoonSwarm Federation MK III this will create the "Sea of Blue" or "No targets left except in empire".

Lately TEST has been doing the Goon "MiniLuv' freighter ganks in the south. When asked about it, it was said that "empire pubbies sorta fight back" and "we really dont do much except blob a system to death and get no fights". The Ice interdiction, Hulkageddon and the Burn Jita events were to give Goon+Pets targets to shoot at. With the coming of the "Age of Blue" their efforts are going to be focused on Empire, where most of the player base lives.

Now you might be saying "Why would Goonswarm care about Empire when all they say is 'Empire is for pubbies, Null Sec is the only way to play EvE Online'", The reason is because they will not have anything to do in null sec except be carebears. Which they pretty much are. They are pretty much being forced to fight for Vale of the Silent even when most of Goonswarm is ratting in Deklien and laughing at their pets taking space and moons and not getting anything in return.

Since this is a "Sandbox" game, CCP will not do anything to limit the size of Blue Lists or numbers of people in alliances. WIth the war dec mechanics in place it is so expensive to war dec any of the bigger alliances you just end up being a sitting target. With the amount of people under the GoonSwarm umbrella they can Gank you all day long and you cant really do anything about it. Except to stay docked or not log in. Which is how the Goonswarm tactic works.

In closing,


Eve is dieing and will be a ghost universe in the near future.

This is just a bunch of filth and drivel that boils down to "CCP needs to force null players to shoot each other or they'll ruin the game".

It's just more BS propaganda to make it sound like there's a problem where none exists; in an effort to have the game altered from what it is, and into something it isn't. Some people just want a high sec themepark where they can fly around and do whatever they want without any risk, while they completely destroy an entire aspect of the game that many of us play EVE for, the market.

With the multitude of MMO's that allow you to farm your hearts out in absolute safety to support an auction house economy, one has to wonder why you're here, RUINING a prefectly good game.


Completely onboard until the bold part (my bold). There isn't a problem. Don't change the game from what it is. Don't change it into something it isn't.

Then you turn around say there's a problem because hi-sec is a theme park where people can fly around... etc. If it is a perfectly good game then don't change anything.



OT but reminds of Obama in 08: Come, join me as we change this great nation of ours.. um, if it is so great then why do we need to change it?

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.

KrakizBad
Section 8.
#115 - 2012-11-02 19:47:37 UTC
Dar Manic wrote:
Reading comprehension fail.

Try again buddy. Read closer this time.
Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#116 - 2012-11-02 19:49:24 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Reading comprehension fail.


Try again buddy. Read closer this time

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.

KrakizBad
Section 8.
#117 - 2012-11-02 19:53:52 UTC
You also think this is a non-PVP game. v0v
Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#118 - 2012-11-02 20:01:09 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
You also think this is a non-PVP game. v0v


It's a sandbox which has PvP. While I can't completely avoid PvP, I can minimize it... I spend time in low sec and / or WH most everyday. It's by MY choice that I enter into those areas. ;)

PvP defined as shooting/combat/killing not the other 'changed to fit my needs' definitions.

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#119 - 2012-11-02 20:05:26 UTC
PVP in EVE is everything you can think of, except shipspinning. Your definition is the one which has been "changed to fit my needs".

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#120 - 2012-11-02 20:09:46 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
PVP in EVE is everything you can think of, except shipspinning. Your definition is the one which has been "changed to fit my needs".


No, but nice try. :)

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.