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Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#81 - 2012-11-02 17:00:05 UTC
Cydori wrote:
I've said over and over that the current sovereignty system is so broken it's actually kind of hard to believe CCP went forward with such a pitiable design to begin with. It doesn't just need tweaked and adjusted, it needs to be thrown out because the entire concept of how sovereignty works in EVE is just laughably bad.

And what you see in null-sec is the natural result of this obviously broken system.

It needs to be thrown out in its entirety and completely re-imagined. Despite its mountains of flaws, EVE used to be a fun and dynamic game where anything seemed possible and players were always coming up with the unexpected. But those days are long past. Now the cycles of EVE are as predictable as the sun, and virtually every aspect of the game has been nerfed, re-nerfed, and pre-nerfed to create an all-too-predictable grind based, intentionally or not, on the banal rock-paper-scissors theory of game design. Uhhhhh.

Rather than help foster a dynamic player vs. player environment of risk and entertainment, the current system has caused player interactions to devolve to the lowest common denominator. B-o-r-i-n-g.

EVE needs an enema. And it needs to go where the crap is spewing from, which is the sovereignty system.


And this means what to hi-sec exactly? It is completely possible the sovereignty system is broken (don't care one way or the other) but fix that. Don't destroy the rest of Eve in a move to fix null sec.

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#82 - 2012-11-02 17:00:32 UTC
[u]
Dar Manic wrote:


You are so lost. Hopefully you'll get a GPS.


Don't need one, i got Dotlan. and lol, Im not the one playing a pvp game who doesn't like pvp.
Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#83 - 2012-11-02 17:02:08 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
[u]
Dar Manic wrote:


You are so lost. Hopefully you'll get a GPS.


Don't need one, i got Dotlan. and lol, Im not the one playing a pvp game who doesn't like pvp.

lol I'm not the one playing a sandbox game who doesn't like people who don't play they way they do. lol ;)

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#84 - 2012-11-02 17:06:18 UTC
Den Arius wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
The big Nullsec alliances should ramp up their recruitment drives.

It's clearly the solution to all your lack of combat woes.


In my personal opinion, this is the answer. I've always wanted to join TEST or Goons (that is no longer my objective, instead I cater to rejects) and I think that if they made some official marketing campaign which consolidated a universal "recruitment drive" between the CFC and HBC - we'd see a good chunk of the high sec community making the move down to get involved in 0.0 warfare.

From past experience, one of the main reasons why the high sec folks don't go down to 0.0 is because they have developed an image of null sec having a really high bar for entry . I've tried recruiting many "carebear" types before, and 75% respond to be with something along the lines of "I don't think I'm ready for Null Sec yet..." Some of them had over 6 months of experience under the belt - will they ever be ready? In actual fact, Null Sec can be enjoyed by week-old newbies. The next step for big alliance success, would be for the super-powers to break down the high-sec consensus that null sec is too scary/dangerous/elite for them.


If a dude (no chicks play EVE) doesn't have enough sack to fly an imaginary space ship to an imaginary part of space, they have more problems than lack of recruitment drives.

And are you completely daft? You really think a recruitment drive by THE most hated alliance in game (I like that Goons are screwing with stupid people and I STILL can't bring myself self to say the words "I like Goons" lol) is gonna change anything. Damn, why didn't I think of that, all those miners with blown up ships will simply let bygones be bygones and join goons....

BTW, the doctor called, he said you forgot to take your meds lol.
Den Arius
Monte Inc
#85 - 2012-11-02 17:07:19 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Den Arius wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
The big Nullsec alliances should ramp up their recruitment drives.

It's clearly the solution to all your lack of combat woes.


In my personal opinion, this is the answer. I've always wanted to join TEST or Goons (that is no longer my objective, instead I cater to rejects) and I think that if they made some official marketing campaign which consolidated a universal "recruitment drive" between the CFC and HBC - we'd see a good chunk of the high sec community making the move down to get involved in 0.0 warfare.

From past experience, one of the main reasons why the high sec folks don't go down to 0.0 is because they have developed an image of null sec having a really high bar for entry . I've tried recruiting many "carebear" types before, and 75% respond to be with something along the lines of "I don't think I'm ready for Null Sec yet..." Some of them had over 6 months of experience under the belt - will they ever be ready? In actual fact, Null Sec can be enjoyed by week-old newbies. The next step for big alliance success, would be for the super-powers to break down the high-sec consensus that null sec is too scary/dangerous/elite for them.


If a dude (no chicks play EVE) doesn't have enough sack to fly an imaginary space ship to an imaginary part of space, they have more problems than lack of recruitment drives.

And are you completely daft? You really think a recruitment drive by THE most hated alliance in game (I like that Goons are screwing with stupid people and I STILL can't bring myself self to say the words "I like Goons" lol) is gonna change anything. Damn, why didn't I think of that, all those miners with blown up ships will simply let bygones be bygones and join goons....

BTW, the doctor called, he said you forgot to take your meds lol.


If the Goons began openly recruiting without security deposits, I believe a lot of people (lots coming from high sec) would join them.

Bobb
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#86 - 2012-11-02 17:08:27 UTC
Dar Manic wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
[u]
Dar Manic wrote:


You are so lost. Hopefully you'll get a GPS.


Don't need one, i got Dotlan. and lol, Im not the one playing a pvp game who doesn't like pvp.

lol I'm not the one playing a sandbox game who doesn't like people who don't play they way they do. lol ;)


I need to put in my sig (for nimrods such as this) the fact that I don't care how anyone plays. I just keep telling them they (like I have) need to accept the realities of EVE instead of trying to change them.

I like to explore, sometimes people try to scan me down and kill me despite the fact that i'd rather PVE right then. Nature of the game, no way I can get mad at that.

Folks like you don't get it though, and that's a shame.
Ghazu
#87 - 2012-11-02 17:13:19 UTC
Den Arius wrote:


If the Goons began openly recruiting without security deposits, I believe a lot of people (lots coming from high sec) would join them.

You are missing the point of this exercise.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#88 - 2012-11-02 17:14:37 UTC
Den Arius wrote:
If the Goons began openly recruiting without security deposits, I believe a lot of people (lots coming from high sec) would join them.


Hisec dwellers can always find a 0.0 corp to join, the only problem is the increased isk they can make there doesn't compensate for the boredom and 0.0 attitude.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Anslo
Scope Works
#89 - 2012-11-02 17:16:32 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dar Manic wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dar Manic wrote:
CCP should be sued for false advertising. It's really not a sandbox. It's just a shooting game played in null sec by null sec rules... seems reasonable to me. Anyone not wishing to play by null sec rules should leave... adapt or die!!!! ;)


That's really pitiful.

Players in eve play by their own rules. Prblem is A) Reality has it's own set of rules and B) other people playing the sandbox and and will legitimately make you play by THEIR rules.

Don't like it, no problem, to each his own but don't let the door hit your backside on the way out.


You completely went off the wrong way. I see that quite often in your posts. And hostile... wow. you really need to go afk for a while.

Anslo wrote:


Seriously....way too hostile Straight chill out man.


Dear God, you guys can't even handle conflict on the forums. I mean i get not wanting to go to null or pvp or what-not, but damn, is everything supposed to be happy happy fun time with you people?

I mean seriously, that wasn't even me on harsh mode lol.

I simply don't think people your you 2 guys "temperament" are cut out for EVE. Unfortunately, there are lots of your type around, which is what I'll never understand because this great non-pvp game exists and you should go there.....


Considering I've been playing longer than you Jenna...I'd like to think I have a bit more of a mature/balanced look. You on the other hand...

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Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#90 - 2012-11-02 17:26:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Dar Manic
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dar Manic wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
[u]
Dar Manic wrote:


You are so lost. Hopefully you'll get a GPS.


Don't need one, i got Dotlan. and lol, Im not the one playing a pvp game who doesn't like pvp.

lol I'm not the one playing a sandbox game who doesn't like people who don't play they way they do. lol ;)


I need to put in my sig (for nimrods such as this) the fact that I don't care how anyone plays. I just keep telling them they (like I have) need to accept the realities of EVE instead of trying to change them.

I like to explore, sometimes people try to scan me down and kill me despite the fact that i'd rather PVE right then. Nature of the game, no way I can get mad at that.

Folks like you don't get it though, and that's a shame.


Wow... yet another complete tangent.

I'm not advocating ANY changes. None, nothing, nadda, (any other ways to say that). I am accepting the realities of EVE. That's the funny part of this entire conversation. It's perfectly ok right now as it is. It is a sandbox.

I need to put in my sig (for nimrods such as this) the fact that I don't care how anyone plays. I just keep telling them they (like I have) need to accept the realities of EVE instead of trying to change them.

I like to explore, sometimes people try to scan me down and kill me despite the fact that i'd rather PVE right then. Nature of the game, no way I can get mad at that.

Folks like you don't get it though, and that's a shame.

I couldn't have said it any better. Thanks for the help. At least we agree on 1 thing.

p.s. I explore, get scanned down, have people blow me up despite the fact I prefer to PVE at that moment. Trace back where I got mad or said change anything. You are reading something into my post(s) that isn't there.

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#91 - 2012-11-02 17:31:24 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Considering I've been playing longer than you Jenna...I'd like to think I have a bit more of a mature/balanced look. You on the other hand...

Big smile When in doubt, respect my authoritah!

I guess that means it falls to me to say; Dear God, you guys can't even handle conflict on the forums. I mean i get not wanting to go to null or pvp or what-not, but damn, is everything supposed to be happy happy fun time with you people?

I mean seriously, that wasn't even me on harsh mode lol.

I simply don't think people your you 2 guys "temperament" are cut out for EVE. Unfortunately, there are lots of your type around, which is what I'll never understand because this great non-pvp game exists and you should go there.....
Ginger Barbarella
#92 - 2012-11-02 17:33:51 UTC
Bored goonie detected.

Since Eve is dying, you're quitting, right?

Yeah, didn't think so. STFU, loser.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#93 - 2012-11-02 17:35:02 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Considering I've been playing longer than you Jenna...I'd like to think I have a bit more of a mature/balanced look. You on the other hand...

Big smile When in doubt, respect my authoritah!

I guess that means it falls to me to say; Dear God, you guys can't even handle conflict on the forums. I mean i get not wanting to go to null or pvp or what-not, but damn, is everything supposed to be happy happy fun time with you people?

I mean seriously, that wasn't even me on harsh mode lol.

I simply don't think people your you 2 guys "temperament" are cut out for EVE. Unfortunately, there are lots of your type around, which is what I'll never understand because this great non-pvp game exists and you should go there.....


lol, it's a game. lol I simply don't think people of your "temperament" is cut out for gaming. Unfortunately, there are lots of your type around, which what I'll never understand because this Places for your type lol


(all the lol are poking fun at you by the way) :)

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#94 - 2012-11-02 17:36:25 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Considering I've been playing longer than you Jenna...I'd like to think I have a bit more of a mature/balanced look. You on the other hand...

Big smile When in doubt, respect my authoritah!

I guess that means it falls to me to say; Dear God, you guys can't even handle conflict on the forums. I mean i get not wanting to go to null or pvp or what-not, but damn, is everything supposed to be happy happy fun time with you people?

I mean seriously, that wasn't even me on harsh mode lol.

I simply don't think people your you 2 guys "temperament" are cut out for EVE. Unfortunately, there are lots of your type around, which is what I'll never understand because this great non-pvp game exists and you should go there.....



Rofl, thanks
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#95 - 2012-11-02 17:38:13 UTC
Does Goonswarm miss their old playmates BOB, null sec=dull sec. I'm telling you get rid of SOV and seed many of 0.0 systems with NPC stations then anyone can dock and roll dice.
Halet Cu
Unemployed Pilots Association
#96 - 2012-11-02 17:43:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Halet Cu
[quote=General Nusense] This will happen. Probably in the next year or less. Here is why.


"If you look at todays influence map you will realize that its pretty much Goonswarm and Pets with some pockets of resistance. Well Ladies and Gentleman, Its about to become all blue from east to west, from north to south. At the current rate of expansion the southern pets will be pushing up to Solar space while the northern pets, with the 50 token GSF pilots in fleet, will push through to Geminate. This will leave just Goonswarm + pets in the north, Goonswarm Pet and PL meatshield TEST in the south and Solar in the east. Since TEST is still Blue to GoonSwarm Federation MK III this will create the "Sea of Blue" or "No targets left except in empire".


Interesting opinion. But I don't see it that way. Remember what happened to BOB? That's what's great about this game, anything can happen and probably will. Just like RL if you get too cocky and stick you're neck out too far you'll likely lose your head. Considering the game is played by people from RL, the same rules apply. I wouldn't worry too much about Goon Swarm. Like they say, the bigger they are, the harder they fall.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#97 - 2012-11-02 17:46:00 UTC
One can only hope.
JitaPriceChecker2
Doomheim
#98 - 2012-11-02 17:48:04 UTC  |  Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2
turmajin wrote:
I dont think for one moment 0.0 will ever be a sea of blue.Power blocks come ad go ,and the game changes BOB was going to control null ,now its gone.Everything in a sandbox game is ever changing.


Not this time.

RMT and out of game relations ....
Robert De'Arneth
#99 - 2012-11-02 17:52:47 UTC
Well I suggest everyone starts to learn how to Goon speak, just in case they do take over, so when they do we can all speak the same language.

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#100 - 2012-11-02 18:10:27 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
you think goons and friends won't reset each other just for ***** and giggles.

i'll wager they will.


I too, bet this will happen. After the delve war, I figured this is the only way it could end....

for ***** and giggles.