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Everybody is doing freighter ganks in High Sec now ...

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#141 - 2012-11-01 23:08:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
Qin Tawate wrote:
That is also wrong. It does not matter, whether a freighter pilot autopilots or not. If he jumps in the suicide gankers, he is toast. Log off will not save him either usually.

It's almost as if aggression against a freighter doesn't mean that the entire corp can shoot the people shooting you.

Don't worry though, CCP are hearing you and are implementing Trammel lite on dec 4th. You won't even have to work with your own corpmates to move your crap, you just have to expect that everyone else will do your job for you.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Qin Tawate
Doomheim
#142 - 2012-11-01 23:09:23 UTC
Alice Saki wrote:
Strange how I've never been ganked.... I even fly a Charon into LowSec :|


There are too many freighters. I never have been suicide ganked ever either. It does not say anything, whether freighter suicide ganks increased rapidly or how easy it is. Maybe you were just lucky so far?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#143 - 2012-11-01 23:12:27 UTC
Qin Tawate wrote:
There are too many freighters. I never have been suicide ganked ever either. It does not say anything, whether freighter suicide ganks increased rapidly or how easy it is. Maybe you were just lucky so far?
Maybe ganks haven't increased rapidly or become easy?
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#144 - 2012-11-01 23:22:08 UTC
So rather than applaud emergent tactics you would rather CCP fix stupid.

Can you see how this isn't going to work?

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#145 - 2012-11-01 23:35:00 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
So rather than applaud emergent tactics you would rather CCP fix stupid.

Can you see how this isn't going to work?

It worked with mining barges.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#146 - 2012-11-01 23:39:00 UTC
Qin Tawate wrote:
That is also wrong. It does not matter, whether a freighter pilot autopilots or not. If he jumps in the suicide gankers, he is toast. Log off will not save him either usually.


if he jumps into the suicide gankers and he isn't a viable target, that tends to save them

hth

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Generals4
#147 - 2012-11-01 23:41:43 UTC
If you get suicide ganked in a freighter you did something wrong

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#148 - 2012-11-01 23:55:27 UTC
Andski wrote:
Skydell wrote:
Someone using their freighter to haul ships and fittings around in High Sec. The atrocity of it all. How can you let this happen CCP? Everyone knows that guy was supposed to make 72 trips with fitted ships to get them to market.

3 billion, what's that work out to? half a dozen Battle Ships?

I have an Idea, CCP. Ditch the worthless velocity bonus for an Agi bonus.


"ships and fittings"

yeah it was a Vargur, Tengu, Sleipnir, Hulk, Cynabal, and fittings for all 5 including faction mods

why can't I put my shiny mission ships into a freighter and autopilot through hisec this is SO unfair ((((((


Actually if you aren't under war dec you could. Most High Sec people wouldn't even take the time to scan you. I'm sure that's what this guy was thinking. No big deal, I need to move my fleet to another system. Not in Goon EVE though. You need to turn simple in to OCD overkill.

Keep at it though. You will have EVE right where it belongs. The poison nobody wants to go near.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#149 - 2012-11-02 00:00:24 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
So rather than applaud emergent tactics you would rather CCP fix stupid.

Can you see how this isn't going to work?

It worked with mining barges.


It worked so well people are now making more profit by focusing their efforts on freighters.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#150 - 2012-11-02 00:04:49 UTC
Skydell wrote:
Keep at it though. You will have EVE right where it belongs. The poison nobody wants to go near.

Nah, don't worry, CCP are implementing trammel lite on dec 4th, that's sure to fix hisec aggression.

If it doesn't, then I guess it'll be time to break the "hisec will never be a place where you cannot get ganked" promise, I suppose.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#151 - 2012-11-02 00:10:20 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Skydell wrote:
Keep at it though. You will have EVE right where it belongs. The poison nobody wants to go near.

Nah, don't worry, CCP are implementing trammel lite on dec 4th, that's sure to fix hisec aggression.

If it doesn't, then I guess it'll be time to break the "hisec will never be a place where you cannot get ganked" promise, I suppose.


I'm sure there is some other Indi game you can destroy before it gets on its feet.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#152 - 2012-11-02 00:14:22 UTC
Skydell wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Skydell wrote:
Keep at it though. You will have EVE right where it belongs. The poison nobody wants to go near.

Nah, don't worry, CCP are implementing trammel lite on dec 4th, that's sure to fix hisec aggression.

If it doesn't, then I guess it'll be time to break the "hisec will never be a place where you cannot get ganked" promise, I suppose.


I'm sure there is some other Indi game you can destroy before it gets on its feet.

We're not the ones destroying EVE, CCP are.

They could've easily have curbed this by giving nullsec people a sov system which didn't suck, reasons to actually live in nullsec so there'd be less incentive to just go "**** this I'm going back to hisec/lowsec/wulfpax" the instant someone starts to lose the war, and last but not least make sure there are actually people in nullsec systems which can be roamed for and ganked.

But no, cure the symptom, not the cause is CCP's motto.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#153 - 2012-11-02 00:14:35 UTC
Skydell wrote:
Andski wrote:
Skydell wrote:
Someone using their freighter to haul ships and fittings around in High Sec. The atrocity of it all. How can you let this happen CCP? Everyone knows that guy was supposed to make 72 trips with fitted ships to get them to market.

3 billion, what's that work out to? half a dozen Battle Ships?

I have an Idea, CCP. Ditch the worthless velocity bonus for an Agi bonus.


"ships and fittings"

yeah it was a Vargur, Tengu, Sleipnir, Hulk, Cynabal, and fittings for all 5 including faction mods

why can't I put my shiny mission ships into a freighter and autopilot through hisec this is SO unfair ((((((


Actually if you aren't under war dec you could. Most High Sec people wouldn't even take the time to scan you. I'm sure that's what this guy was thinking. No big deal, I need to move my fleet to another system. Not in Goon EVE though. You need to turn simple in to OCD overkill.

Keep at it though. You will have EVE right where it belongs. The poison nobody wants to go near.

Damn CCP for not letting players in undeccable NPC corps autopilot a frieghter around high sec with their billions of isk worth of pve ships that do nothing but introduce more and more isk into the economy.


Some of you keep asking for CCP to allow you to be a negative factor to the overal game enviroment. If you can't be blown up, but can inject a non stop supply of isk into the game, you're not contributing and you're having a negative impact.

EVE is not designed for people to not get blown up in high sec, and PvE is never going to blow up a sufficient number of ships.

PvP is a must, and how much it costs you is entirely controlled by YOU. Losing a freighter in high sec with billions of cargo is entirely your fault.




A game that lets some of you do what you keep demanding you should be able to is not EVE.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#154 - 2012-11-02 00:16:24 UTC
Qin Tawate wrote:

... which is usually a sign like when everybody did Incursions or FW cycling and so on. If everybody is doing it and it was not quite intended that way, it will get nerfed soon.

In the last months Bat Country and some other high sec suicide gankers made a fortune ganking freighters in Niarja and Uedama. Now you see more and more other groups doing it also in other 0.5 systems after they found out, how easy it is.




Seems to me this is an excellent tactic to fix things. Expect some buffs in a near future.

brb
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#155 - 2012-11-02 00:34:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
I'm actually convinced now.
People suggest kicking people from NPC corps, and I always disagree. More and more though I'm starting to think it's the way to go.

Kick them out after a set time.
You either join a player corp or get put into a faction militia of your choice.

Faction militia can't be decced but players from the other factions can attack them.
Amaar vs Minmatar
Caldari vs Gallente


  • Make the faction navies fightable so that if you go into another factions space you can fight them off, and roam for players.

  • Faction navy spawns to deal with "gankers", but can be faught off.

  • Spawn is relative to the ships and types the "ganker" has.

  • Make a militia standing that impacts the size and difficulty of the faction spawns.

  • -Standing is lost by shooting at apposing NPC and player militia ships.

  • -Standing is lost more shooting players than NPC


Keep concord the way it is, but only respond to attacks on militia and non decced player corp members.


You get time to learn the ropes in a near gank free NPC corp.
Then you can either play in a militia corp that allows a limitted number of people to shoot you.
Or you can play in a player corp that has to be war decced.



The high sec pve guys would hate it, but it would drive home the ******* point that high sec isn't supposed to be safe.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#156 - 2012-11-02 00:41:45 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:


The high sec pve guys would hate it, but it would drive home the ******* point that high sec isn't supposed to be safe.


Why because you say so?

I'm starting to agree with the people saying to get rid of jump bridges, Titans and Cyno modules. Maybe you can try moving your 'shinies' gate to gate like people in HS do.

I'm betting there won't be many freighters in Null when that day comes. Risk won't mean quite the same thing when it converts to fish in a barrel. Have fun running escort Ops for every Badger full of trit you want moved from anywhere.
Arcosian
Arcosian Heavy Industries Corp Holding
#157 - 2012-11-02 00:50:47 UTC
If you guys haven't been following this thread then you may not know about CCP nerfing the corp hangar of the orca to be scannable and drop items now.

Post
Relevant post is on page 7
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#158 - 2012-11-02 00:51:42 UTC
Skydell wrote:
I'm starting to agree with the people saying to get rid of jump bridges, Titans and Cyno modules. Maybe you can try moving your 'shinies' gate to gate like people in HS do.

I love how you brought up JBs, as if they're a major factor in nullsec logistics.

As for removing cynos etc, if there'd been even a modicum of chance of an alliance making everything it needs in null, then I would be all for it since it would make nullsec feel bigger again. Since CCP isn't going to do that, however, what you'd end up doing with this change is make anything more than a few jumps off from hisec worthless. vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#159 - 2012-11-02 00:54:38 UTC
Skydell wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:


The high sec pve guys would hate it, but it would drive home the ******* point that high sec isn't supposed to be safe.


Why because you say so?

I'm starting to agree with the people saying to get rid of jump bridges, Titans and Cyno modules. Maybe you can try moving your 'shinies' gate to gate like people in HS do.

I'm betting there won't be many freighters in Null when that day comes. Risk won't mean quite the same thing when it converts to fish in a barrel. Have fun running escort Ops for every Badger full of trit you want moved from anywhere.

Because the game has said so for 9 ******* years!

Pardon me,
Please tell me in what year were you not able to shoot people in high sec. I could do it in '05 and I can do it today. So it had to be either '03 or '04, and from what I hear it was much tougher then.


Please,
Point me to all the posts that null guys are making, bitching about losing titans and super caps.
In fact, show me a post where a null guy cried that he lost a carrier while pveing in null.


I dare you to get a screenshot of me flying my badger around alone in null, something I do everytime I undock. I have never, EVER, complained about losing a ship. Not on the forums, not to person who got me, not to a single goon or any person in our alliance. Not when it happend to me in high sec, low sec, or null. If you catch me, good on you, hope my **** isn't empty or is worth something. I live in VFK, come take some pictures and laugh at me flying around in a badger alone; I ******* dare you.

Jump bridges don't make **** safer for me; you act like they don't get camped.



Stupid people get blown up, and the poor cry that they can't use a jump freighter.

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#160 - 2012-11-02 00:56:59 UTC
Oh yeah, I almost forgot to point out that it's high security space, not perfect security space. At least until CCP gives in to the whines about 20b+ freighters getting ganked.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat