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Everybody is doing freighter ganks in High Sec now ...

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Ghazu
#61 - 2012-10-31 15:29:22 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
Qin Tawate wrote:

... which is usually a sign like when everybody did Incursions or FW cycling and so on. If everybody is doing it and it was not quite intended that way, it will get nerfed soon.

In the last months Bat Country and some other high sec suicide gankers made a fortune ganking freighters in Niarja and Uedama. Now you see more and more other groups doing it also in other 0.5 systems after they found out, how easy it is.



OH GOD NOOOOOOO, stop nerfing us by flying nothing but 1 bil or empty flyings come on.


I don't remember who posted it but I saw the neat idea of 1 trit double wrapped in a fully insured freighter. You still loose money I think but if you have gankers with a short fuse, you might be the one farming tears.

It's like getting a chunk of coal for x'mas.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#62 - 2012-10-31 16:01:47 UTC
Faulting people who freight with loading their freighters with too much stuff...


My retort is that ships cargo holds are too big and have too much ammo....this needs a nerf.

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2012-10-31 16:26:58 UTC
everyone is blowing up noobships that have 50 plexes inside
clearly a sign that ccp is going to buff noobships
Dave stark
#64 - 2012-10-31 16:28:28 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
everyone is blowing up noobships that have 50 plexes inside
clearly a sign that ccp is going to buff noobships


rookie ships have already been buffed....
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#65 - 2012-10-31 16:54:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
I can't believe someone actually said an escort would stop a freighter gank. LMFAO

so if a lone falcon escort put ecm on half of the suicide ganking talos' until CONCORD arrived, what would happen?

Answer: The gank would fail.

In most cases (though not always) the gank would also fail with a command ship or a logistics for escort.

Freighter ganks are a fairly exact science, with very little extra damage beyond what is necessary to get the job done thrown into the equation. It doesn't take a whole lot to throw off that equation, either by the freighter taking longer to go down than expected or by the ganking ships being unable to apply as much damage as expected.

And yes, a Falcon or even Blackbird easily has enough time to lock and jam the gank ships as they are trying to chew their way thru the freighters massive amount of hull points before Concord finishes off too many of them.

Since a smart freighter pilot knows if he is going to have to fly through a .5 bottleneck to get where he needs to go, and often will have an alt scout the gate looking for suspicious groups hanging around those gates, why would you not put that alt in a jamming ship of some sort just in case the gank squad only keeps their bumping ship near the gate?

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#66 - 2012-10-31 18:59:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Frostys Virpio
Ranger 1 wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
I can't believe someone actually said an escort would stop a freighter gank. LMFAO

so if a lone falcon escort put ecm on half of the suicide ganking talos' until CONCORD arrived, what would happen?

Answer: The gank would fail.

In most cases (though not always) the gank would also fail with a command ship or a logistics for escort.

Freighter ganks are a fairly exact science, with very little extra damage beyond what is necessary to get the job done thrown into the equation. It doesn't take a whole lot to throw off that equation, either by the freighter taking longer to go down than expected or by the ganking ships being unable to apply as much damage as expected.

And yes, a Falcon or even Blackbird easily has enough time to lock and jam the gank ships as they are trying to chew their way thru the freighters massive amount of hull points before Concord finishes off too many of them.

Since a smart freighter pilot knows if he is going to have to fly through a .5 bottleneck to get where he needs to go, and often will have an alt scout the gate looking for suspicious groups hanging around those gates, why would you not put that alt in a jamming ship of some sort just in case the gank squad only keeps their bumping ship near the gate?


Scorpion!!!

EDIT : Do ECM count as an offensive action resulting in CONCORD?
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2012-10-31 19:00:12 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
everyone is blowing up noobships that have 50 plexes inside
clearly a sign that ccp is going to buff noobships


rookie ships have already been buffed....

they need an unscannable 'plex bay'
ccp do this...

..or everyone will unsub




and eve...


...will die
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#68 - 2012-10-31 19:02:12 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
everyone is blowing up noobships that have 50 plexes inside
clearly a sign that ccp is going to buff noobships


rookie ships have already been buffed....

they need an unscannable 'plex bay'
ccp do this...

..or everyone will unsub




and eve...


...will die


rofl
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#69 - 2012-10-31 19:16:54 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Frostys Virpio wrote:

EDIT : Do ECM count as an offensive action resulting in CONCORD?


Yes you gets Concordokken if you ECM a noncorpmate/nonGCCer in HISEC
Target paintin' & webbin' too gives you GCC
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Dave stark
#70 - 2012-10-31 19:20:12 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
everyone is blowing up noobships that have 50 plexes inside
clearly a sign that ccp is going to buff noobships


rookie ships have already been buffed....

they need an unscannable 'plex bay'
ccp do this...

..or everyone will unsub




and eve...


...will die


so, you mean, orcas for trial accounts!
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#71 - 2012-10-31 19:22:00 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:

EDIT : Do ECM count as an offensive action resulting in CONCORD?


Yes you gets Concordokken if you ECM a noncorpmate/nonGCCer in HISEC
Target paintin' & webbin' too gives you GCC

For the next month, that is
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#72 - 2012-10-31 19:56:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:

EDIT : Do ECM count as an offensive action resulting in CONCORD?


Yes you gets Concordokken if you ECM a noncorpmate/nonGCCer in HISEC
Target paintin' & webbin' too gives you GCC

For the next month, that is
Sorry, but I think you are in the wrong thread.

Please browse the rest of the page for the appropriate Ganker whining threads.

Can't miss them. They are the ones that smell distinctly of bullshit.

Mr Epeen Cool
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2012-10-31 20:05:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
But even if there was GCC, losing a scorpion or falcon is probably preferable to losing a loot-filled jump freighter
so yeah, you can escort your freighters right now, if you wanted to, and there's no excuse not to

just sayin
Oggat
The Adam's Family
#74 - 2012-10-31 20:08:41 UTC
Honest answer from Goons and Test appreciated.

How many of these whale kills were auto piloting?
Powers Sa
#75 - 2012-10-31 20:20:20 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
I can't believe someone actually said an escort would stop a freighter gank. LMFAO

As someone who's boned several -A- and en garde ganks, I can attest to the fact that escorts can flub freighter ganks.

Oggat wrote:
Honest answer from Goons and Test appreciated.

How many of these whale kills were auto piloting?


The very two weeks, it was 90% autopiloting. Then we realized we should branch out. There was far more stupid to punish.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#76 - 2012-10-31 20:43:17 UTC
Powers Sa wrote:
Oggat wrote:
Honest answer from Goons and Test appreciated.

How many of these whale kills were auto piloting?

The very two weeks, it was 90% autopiloting. Then we realized we should branch out. There was far more stupid to punish.

Autopiloting expensive things in your freighter.

What's the world coming to when you do this and get ganked.

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Marivauder
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2012-10-31 20:46:58 UTC
Bat Country would never sanction such events in highsec
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#78 - 2012-10-31 20:49:19 UTC
Qin Tawate wrote:

... which is usually a sign like when everybody did Incursions or FW cycling and so on. If everybody is doing it and it was not quite intended that way, it will get nerfed soon.
So in other words, we're pretty safe from any kind of freighter ganking nerf right now since they are far too rare, and with far too few practitioners, to be even remotely considered a problem.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#79 - 2012-10-31 21:17:03 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Qin Tawate wrote:

... which is usually a sign like when everybody did Incursions or FW cycling and so on. If everybody is doing it and it was not quite intended that way, it will get nerfed soon.
So in other words, we're pretty safe from any kind of freighter ganking nerf right now since they are far too rare, and with far too few practitioners, to be even remotely considered a problem.

But it's GANKERS.

They have to be removed to make a truly amazing EVE Online: Mining AFK and Autopiloting Far-Too-Much

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Baroness Vulna
Armada vi Vulnezia
#80 - 2012-10-31 21:28:50 UTC
CCP allowing hisec ganks to continue too much just shoots themselves in the foot, as in cost them money.

Hisec is supposed to be safe for commerce, business, travel even if it has some risk. However look at the parallel, hi sec is territorial water of the four major empires just as 12 miles off the coast of the USA is. Do you think the USA would "continue" to allow pirates to sink merchant ships in its territorial water in peacetime? Of course not. So why there are not more penalties to it in EVE hisec is beyond me, i mean...this is the future after all...far more advanced and enlightened supposedly. So the more carebears that are ganked in hisec the more they will rage quit and cost ccp money and stunt the future of EVE...just saying.

Also, i think hisec gankers are just those who cant make it in nulsec so they find ways around the intended game design and exploit a weakness to blow up easy targets. Its always been going on, always will until CCP crushes it like they did isk farmers.

I predict when CCP makes hisec far safer they will see an increase in revenue and it will force little griefer/pirate boys to move to lowsec and nulsec where they will probably die in a fire.

/hugs

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