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Everybody is doing freighter ganks in High Sec now ...

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#181 - 2012-11-02 18:44:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
Qin Tawate wrote:

Today just a couple more freighters got ganked. Clearly a small anomaly according to Goon sources, like they are saying there was no increase of freighter kills ever and certainly not in the last months or since 2010. I also remember someone said, when tier3 BCs got introduced, it will make freighter ganks easier. Buff guns and introduce new ship classes, how could this ever influence other ship classes? Neverever ....

It's almost as if you've missed or forgotten the fact that CCP dropping insurance upon suicide ganking meant that even though the ship hulls themselves are cheaper with tier 3 BCs, the total cost is actually higher.

Surely you haven't forgotten or missed that fact, right?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#182 - 2012-11-02 18:44:43 UTC
Qin Tawate wrote:
Today just a couple more freighters got ganked.
So everything is pretty much normal then? No real increase to be seen anywhere.

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I also remember someone said, when tier3 BCs got introduced, it will make freighter ganks easier.
And how wrong they were. It only ended up making freighter ganks as easy or hard as they have always been.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#183 - 2012-11-02 18:48:50 UTC
guys, ones of freighters died today

a small minority of which were in highsec

arrgghhh
Anslo
Scope Works
#184 - 2012-11-02 18:49:33 UTC
Tippia wrote:
And how wrong they were. It only ended up making freighter ganks as easy or hard as they have always been.


I think be easier he meant financially. Tornadoes have an obscene alpha as a BC sized vessel.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#185 - 2012-11-02 18:51:05 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Tippia wrote:
And how wrong they were. It only ended up making freighter ganks as easy or hard as they have always been.

I think be easier he meant financially. Tornadoes have an obscene alpha as a BC sized vessel.

Yes, that's what I was referring to.

No easier or harder than before.
Anslo
Scope Works
#186 - 2012-11-02 18:59:46 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Tippia wrote:
And how wrong they were. It only ended up making freighter ganks as easy or hard as they have always been.

I think be easier he meant financially. Tornadoes have an obscene alpha as a BC sized vessel.

Yes, that's what I was referring to.

No easier or harder than before.


Ah ok. Yeah play style it's not "easier," but it's a hell of a lot cheaper in a sense. Thanks for clarifying!

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#187 - 2012-11-02 19:33:36 UTC
Not really, minerals were cheaper in the past, a tornado today is around the same price as a tempest back then. Even so, hybrids are apparently more cost effective for suicide ganking so this discussion about tornadoes is pointless.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#188 - 2012-11-02 19:36:15 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Tippia wrote:
And how wrong they were. It only ended up making freighter ganks as easy or hard as they have always been.


I think be easier he meant financially. Tornadoes have an obscene alpha as a BC sized vessel.


Too bad people always seem to forget it's not about alpha strike to kill a freighter.
Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#189 - 2012-11-02 19:36:47 UTC
Dear CCP, one fitting slot for the Freighter pls

1 low slot, 60 CPU, 1 PG - you know you want it

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#190 - 2012-11-02 19:38:27 UTC
Opertone wrote:
Dear CCP, one fitting slot for the Freighter pls

1 low slot, 60 CPU, 1 PG - you know you want it

So pubbies can stick more cargo mods on their freighters and whine even harder about getting ganked?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#191 - 2012-11-02 19:56:42 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Opertone wrote:
Dear CCP, one fitting slot for the Freighter pls

1 low slot, 60 CPU, 1 PG - you know you want it

So pubbies can stick more cargo mods on their freighters and whine even harder about getting ganked?


Role bonus : -15% cargo space / module fitted.

The description says they scrapped everything in those ship in the name of cargo space. Adding some stuff back should cost some cargo space no?
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#192 - 2012-11-02 19:58:47 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Opertone wrote:
Dear CCP, one fitting slot for the Freighter pls

1 low slot, 60 CPU, 1 PG - you know you want it

So pubbies can stick more cargo mods on their freighters and whine even harder about getting ganked?


Role bonus : -15% cargo space / module fitted.

The description says they scrapped everything in those ship in the name of cargo space. Adding some stuff back should cost some cargo space no?

I don't understand.

Are you saying that it can have a role bonus that would make a module designed to increase cargo capacity NOT increse cargo capacity?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#193 - 2012-11-02 20:03:27 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Opertone wrote:
Dear CCP, one fitting slot for the Freighter pls

1 low slot, 60 CPU, 1 PG - you know you want it

So pubbies can stick more cargo mods on their freighters and whine even harder about getting ganked?


Role bonus : -15% cargo space / module fitted.

The description says they scrapped everything in those ship in the name of cargo space. Adding some stuff back should cost some cargo space no?

We're talking about people who've proven repeatedly that they can't think rationally, specificially "hurr I can't fit my mining barge for tank, because that would compromise yield!"

They'd fit for cargo.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#194 - 2012-11-02 20:05:14 UTC
i don't know a freighter low would need either PG or CPU since cargohold expanders, inertia stabs and nanofiber all have zero fitting reqs
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#195 - 2012-11-02 20:06:06 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Opertone wrote:
Dear CCP, one fitting slot for the Freighter pls

1 low slot, 60 CPU, 1 PG - you know you want it

So pubbies can stick more cargo mods on their freighters and whine even harder about getting ganked?


Role bonus : -15% cargo space / module fitted.

The description says they scrapped everything in those ship in the name of cargo space. Adding some stuff back should cost some cargo space no?

We're talking about people who've proven repeatedly that they can't think rationally, specificially "hurr I can't fit my mining barge for tank, because that would compromise yield!"

They'd fit for cargo.

But if CCP made the role bonus of a barge reduce the amount of yeild you get for each strip fitted, they would tank their barges. Ugh
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#196 - 2012-11-02 20:17:01 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Ah ok. Yeah play style it's not "easier," but it's a hell of a lot cheaper in a sense. Thanks for clarifying!
No, it's not easier (in the sense of execution), but it's also not cheaper.

Before: spend 150M on battleship + fittings, get blown up, get 75M ISK back on insurance.
After: spend 75M on BC + fittings, get blown up, get 0 ISK back on insurance.

75M cost before, 75M cost after. Ok, in reality, the cost was much lower before if you had any sense, but if you just picked up some random gaggle of bit from Jita, the cost would go up quite rapidly.
Anslo
Scope Works
#197 - 2012-11-02 20:21:34 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Ah ok. Yeah play style it's not "easier," but it's a hell of a lot cheaper in a sense. Thanks for clarifying!
No, it's not easier (in the sense of execution), but it's also not cheaper.

Before: spend 150M on battleship + fittings, get blown up, get 75M ISK back on insurance.
After: spend 75M on BC + fittings, get blown up, get 0 ISK back on insurance.

75M cost before, 75M cost after. Ok, in reality, the cost was much lower before if you had any sense, but if you just picked up some random gaggle of bit from Jita, the cost would go up quite rapidly.


I see....but....T3 BCs dont' get ANY insurance at all? I remember my hurricane got 13m-25m insurance back in the day.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#198 - 2012-11-02 20:24:05 UTC
Anslo wrote:
I see....but....T3 BCs dont' get ANY insurance at all? I remember my hurricane got 13m-25m insurance back in the day.

If concord is involved, insurance is null and void. This has been in effect 6-12 months or whatever it is.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#199 - 2012-11-02 20:26:34 UTC
Anslo wrote:
I see....but....T3 BCs dont' get ANY insurance at all? I remember my hurricane got 13m-25m insurance back in the day.
It's tier 3. And their being tier 3 is not a factor.

But yes, that's the general error people make when thinking that the introduction of tier-3 BCs made ganking cheaper: they conveniently forget that you get no insurance these days and full insurance back in the day, ensuring that the ship loss cost next to nothing and that the big expense was the modules. These days, it's pretty much the exact opposite.
Anslo
Scope Works
#200 - 2012-11-02 20:29:13 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Anslo wrote:
I see....but....T3 BCs dont' get ANY insurance at all? I remember my hurricane got 13m-25m insurance back in the day.
It's tier 3. And their being tier 3 is not a factor.

But yes, that's the general error people make when thinking that the introduction of tier-3 BCs made ganking cheaper: they conveniently forget that you get no insurance these days and full insurance back in the day, ensuring that the ship loss cost next to nothing and that the big expense was the modules. These days, it's pretty much the exact opposite.


Oh crap you and the guy above you are right. Sorry! Forgot about those changes.

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