EVE General Discussion

Wouldn't it still involve players selling their stuff to the players offering the most money or at a cost that the seller is happy with selling the product?

It's still a free-market, just one that will make it a full weeks work just to find mods to fit a ship that took you 3 days to find at a reasonable price...

First off, markets are not unique to capitalism. Lots of economic systems have markets. Capitalism is mostly defined in terms of ownership. If we were capitalist then our corporate and alliance level income would be used to benefit the directors and shareholders rather than the line members.

Second, we don't have a free market. It is manipulated by reimbursement payouts and overt efforts at creating price ceilings. We also have a website that tracks prices in our market hubs and flags items that have high margins and/or low stocks. Also, people found manipulating our markets to get higher profits are kicked out of the alliance. This extends to entire corporations if they are found to be selling strategic assets to our enemies.


So we do engage in market trading, but their is a very visible hand slapping down exploitative behavior.

That made a lot more sense.

I agree. No change should be "drastic" they should be thought out and implimented in a way that doesn't adversely effect other aspects or parts of the game. Even when a drastic change is good it tends to alienate people. We're all inherently weary of change, some of us just aren't willing to admit it.

I thought the OP was just joking around in the same way I'm just joking when I make my communist high sec rants, it's still a horrible idea though. Some people really do like to spend their time spamming a trade chanell to sell stuff, but I like to think that most of use would prefer to put our stuff on a market and then BS on a forum while it actually sells.


And I stand by my assertion that high sec industry is the most communistic area of the game.

I wasn't quoting anyone. It was a poke at the hypocritical posters in GD. Nothing more, nothing less. Not aimed at a specific person.

A socialist system wouldn't explicity deny the ability to "loan", and capitalism isn't the only economic system that allows for loaning.

Once upon a time it was considered unethical to enforce interest on a loan. In fact, it wasn't until fairly recently that it become legal for banks to charge interest on loans in many countries.

There is no single socialist ideal; socialism is extremely vaired in how it's governed and fucntions.
I would assumed that in a socialist system the loaning of money would be regulated to minimize the amount of intrest one can charge on a loan, to prevent loaning money from becoming stricly a beneficial, and privatized act designed to make select individuals wealthy without benefiting the rest of society as a whole.

For example.
In a socialist system if I wanted to produce something, I could borrow the money from the governement, or whatever institution that the government or more importantly the people deem acceptable. That loan would be used to build a business, which would hire people, who would in turn not just work for the company but can also "own" a part of the company, otherwise known as a cooperative. Inerestingly, in our own real world economy, the business that were effected least by the recession and continued to show growth and profit were those that used a cooperative model.


Paraphrased as:
No economy can get around the need to issue loans, and the regulating of loaning money so that everyone is able to borrow would be more socialist than capitalist.

It's more about the intent, and less about the act itself.

So yeah, even our loaning is socialist by nature.


PS: The fact that ISK is money and not currency allows for socialism to exist in EVE as well. You can't have a select group deciding what the value of something is that no one has any ownership of. You can't have ownership of currency, but you can with money.

Agreed. They've defined both socialism and communism in ways that don't fit anyway.

We don't have socialism inherent in EVE. You may have in your Alliance/Corp but we don't have socialism inherent in the game of EVE.

He's not saying that.

He's talking about the GSF; not EVE as a whole. You're makign an arguement against something that he's not argueing. I'm assuming that's a part of what he means by scotsman defense.

For those unfamiliar with the No True Scotsman fallacy;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman


It is a type of "moving the goal posts" defense and it is exactly what the above quoted poster is doing.

Goons set up a socialist/communist/welfare system, and the above says it cannot be because (goal post moves) it isn't real socialism unless _ALL_OF_EVE_ is socialist.


That uncomfortable feeling you are having is called cognitive dissonance.

You really went off on a tangent. I specifically said you can have socialism in the GOONS... it is ENTIRELY possible, likely, whatever else you want to insert here.