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Minimalist Approach to Wormholes
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Eternal Montage
Myriad Sequence
#1 - 2012-10-30 18:58:15 UTC
Let's say SWIM want's to try wormholes. SWIM has experimented with them before and has some knowledge of how they work. SWIM has a decent amount of skill points and a friend with around 10 mil skill points. Hypothetically SWIM finds a c2. It appears to be empty of players and populated with a decent amount of sleeper sites. What approach could SWIM and friend use to farm the wormhole? Can it be done in 2 battlecruisers? With only 2 people? What is the MINIMUM required to effectively farm one?
Eternal Corrosion
The Truskers
#2 - 2012-10-30 19:22:36 UTC
Actually we are living in a C2, with a small group of 3 people, and i cn tell you that 2 people is more than enough..., we make our millions every day and we make our logistics 2 or 3 days per week, no problems, using 2 drakes, enough.

Yes, its possible

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Eternal Montage
Myriad Sequence
#3 - 2012-10-30 19:24:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternal Montage
Could I trouble you to perhaps inbox me a drake fit?

Nice name btw
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-10-30 20:04:05 UTC
SWIM needs to stop buying dime bags and SWIM can do a c2 with 2 BC's, easiest with drakes.
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-10-30 20:09:04 UTC
Casirio wrote:
SWIM needs to stop buying dime bags and SWIM can do a c2 with 2 BC's, easiest with drakes.


SWIM is insulted by your implication, SWIM will now dedicate his career to hunting you down, you should not have messed with SWIM.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-10-30 20:52:13 UTC
C2s are very easily run solo.

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Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#7 - 2012-10-30 21:19:22 UTC
C2 are also most commonly visited by gankers.

I don't like to recommend "safer", but c4's are what that type of people are looking for.

So SWIM as a pve'ing carebear would look for a C4.

Wormholes have the best accoustics. It's known. - Sing it for me -
Sandslinger
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-10-30 21:23:27 UTC
Archdaimon wrote:
C2 are also most commonly visited by gankers.

I don't like to recommend "safer", but c4's are what that type of people are looking for.

So SWIM as a pve'ing carebear would look for a C4.


What he said in a C2 it would'nt take to long before "SWIM's with the fishes"

As for doing C2, anything BC and above will do them easy. Sleepers don't tackle you so you always retain the GTFO option anyways.

Regards
Sandslinger
dark dreamur
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-10-30 21:44:39 UTC
talk of battlecruisers makes me wonder can the c2 sites be done crazy fast with the teir 3 battle cruisers or do you run in to tracking issues ? im assuming you can tank them fine in a teir 3 ( allthough they arnt know for their tank)
anyone tried it and what was the result?
i tried running a few c2 's when i was bored one day, used an AF but it took ages and was crap money, im assuming the goal in a c2 quantity over quality ? hence why im wondering about the teir 3 bc.
Eternal Montage
Myriad Sequence
#10 - 2012-10-30 21:45:47 UTC
This is what I thought, though SWIM had only attempted wormholes in the past in a Myrmidon. It worked, just not very well, and the ISK/risk/time ratio didn't jive. Can anyone remark on the efficacy of a Hurricane for sleeper sites? Maybe a passive tanked one or something along those lines. SWIM can't fly a drake. Thanks guys.
Eternal Montage
Myriad Sequence
#11 - 2012-10-30 21:48:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternal Montage
Edit: I change my mind, that was a dumb question
Wolvun
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-10-31 02:22:43 UTC
dark dreamur wrote:
talk of battlecruisers makes me wonder can the c2 sites be done crazy fast with the teir 3 battle cruisers or do you run in to tracking issues ? im assuming you can tank them fine in a teir 3 ( allthough they arnt know for their tank)
anyone tried it and what was the result?
i tried running a few c2 's when i was bored one day, used an AF but it took ages and was crap money, im assuming the goal in a c2 quantity over quality ? hence why im wondering about the teir 3 bc.


Teir 3 BC's generally lack the tank and would require a few warp outs. Most BC's are better for the role.

But C2's are completely horrible ISK i have lived in them for some time and stopped running the C2's soon after moving in, C2's are great because they have a static to farm. You generally want to leave your home C2 sites to entice daytrippers in to "GET TO KNOW THEM"

So if you live in a C2 and run the C2 sites your doing it wrong. Even a C1 static will get you more isk/hour then your home C2 sites.


Ohh and Who is SWIM? is that like Bobs slutty cousin?
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-10-31 14:48:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Casirio
Eternal Montage wrote:
Let's say SWIM want's to try ____. SWIM has experimented with them before and has some knowledge of how they work. SWIM has a decent amount of ____ and a friend with around 10 mil.....


again wrong forums bro
Eternal Montage
Myriad Sequence
#14 - 2012-10-31 14:53:21 UTC
lol... okay, okay SWIM is me! You got me. Thanks for the info guys. See youz in space!
Meytal
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-10-31 17:27:04 UTC
Eternal Montage wrote:
lol... okay, okay SWIM is me! You got me. Thanks for the info guys. See youz in space!

No, I'm SWIM!
Bodega Cat
Expedition Spartica
#16 - 2012-11-01 21:31:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Bodega Cat
Wolvun is right. C1's are better isk/per hour than C2's.

Buf if you find an ideal C2, you may as well take it. The sooner you can get in, and start learning the ins-and-outs of wormhole life the better, and you'll still be making good money comparatively.

Be mindful though, as they do tend to attract more conflict. Very few situations in w-space look like less of a SURE THING than a drake and sleeper wrecks on d-scan.
Le Badass
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-11-05 13:07:01 UTC
Anchor some large secure containers in a safe, bring in extra ammo and you can run C2s with two characters.
One is a scanning alt with racial frig 4, decent scanning skills and the ability to use a cloak. The other flies an assault frig and carries tractors/salvagers in the hold (and always fits a probe launhcer).
Once both chars are in, your day goes like this:
1. Log on scanning alt. Launch probes, cloak and scan down all sigs, save to corp BMs.
2. Log off scanning alt.
3. Log on AF char. Clear anoms like a boss.
4. At appropriate times, fly through your lowsec static, refit tractors and salvagers, salvage sites, save loot in your secure containers until you want to cash in, then fly back to lowsec to refit for killing sleepers.

... Can also be done in a BC, but it's a much bigger target.
Probably the easiest way to do it.
Also, if you suddenly grow tired of WH space, just fly your main out and leave your scanner in. Then you can log her on occasionally and check for lots of juicy anoms.
No need for fuel, no big cash investment, no nothing, just go run sites. If you feel threatened, log off your main and log in your scanner. Cloak up and ride it out.

And yes, I know it's a scrub way to do it, but it works.
Eternal Montage
Myriad Sequence
#18 - 2012-11-05 14:24:19 UTC
Le Badass wrote:
Anchor some large secure containers in a safe, bring in extra ammo and you can run C2s with two characters.
One is a scanning alt with racial frig 4, decent scanning skills and the ability to use a cloak. The other flies an assault frig and carries tractors/salvagers in the hold (and always fits a probe launhcer).
Once both chars are in, your day goes like this:
1. Log on scanning alt. Launch probes, cloak and scan down all sigs, save to corp BMs.
2. Log off scanning alt.
3. Log on AF char. Clear anoms like a boss.
4. At appropriate times, fly through your lowsec static, refit tractors and salvagers, salvage sites, save loot in your secure containers until you want to cash in, then fly back to lowsec to refit for killing sleepers.

... Can also be done in a BC, but it's a much bigger target.
Probably the easiest way to do it.
Also, if you suddenly grow tired of WH space, just fly your main out and leave your scanner in. Then you can log her on occasionally and check for lots of juicy anoms.
No need for fuel, no big cash investment, no nothing, just go run sites. If you feel threatened, log off your main and log in your scanner. Cloak up and ride it out.

And yes, I know it's a scrub way to do it, but it works.


Interesting. This sounds like a very creative approach. Are you certain an AF can tank sleepers?
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#19 - 2012-11-05 14:28:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Godfrey Silvarna
Eternal Montage wrote:
Are you certain an AF can tank sleepers?

They can, at lest in C1 and C2. C3 and C4 too if you find a Wolf Rayet and fly an armour tanked AF.

This reminds me, I really need to buy a new Enyo for both PvE and PvP. AF:s are ridiculously fun ships to fly.
Ashimat
Clandestine Services
#20 - 2012-11-05 14:39:12 UTC
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
Eternal Montage wrote:
Are you certain an AF can tank sleepers?

They can, at lest in C1 and C2. C3 and C4 too if you find a Wolf Rayet and fly an armour ranked AF.

This reminds me, I really need to buy a new Enyo for both PvE and PvP. AF:s are ridiculously fun ships to fly.


Sounds fun.

Is this is something you done or just something you think could be done, in theory, and if you throw enough ISK at it? The limit for what you can do with a T2 fit AF is somewhere between C2 and C3 I think, it would be really interesting to know how you intend to deal with the neuts and webs of a C4.

If you done it, got a fit?

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