Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I don't doubt it, and I don't say it's impossible, just incredibly difficult, bordering on impossible.
Most of the Larger Corps in High-Sec are either miner/industry focused, or are filled with relatively new players who can't hope to bring that sort of firepower to take own a Medium/Large POS. Small ones? Sure. Most PvP players move out to Low-Sec or Null Sec, and often let their Sec status lapse, leaving yet another barrier to them participating in a High-Sec POS takedown.



That was the goal, not to create a new "Uber Ship", but to to try to create a balanced idea so it might have the best chance possible to be implemented, and could fill a niche that is currently empty.

It's entirely possible to put together a continuous +1000 DPS BS hull.

Navy Geddon and Navy Apoc can both do it.

Using some back of the envelope math:

If a large POS has w/859.2M EHP, and the four ships you've presented have ~1k DPS, then we're talking ~859,200 "DPS of attack", or ~238.66 hours of attack (for one ship, which is fine, since you SHOULD be required to have more than 1 ship to attack a large POS).

Get 25 people and the time drops to 7.6373 hours, which is probably reasonable to get a Large POS into reinforcement mode, but the problem is finding a High-Sec Corp with 25 people skilled enough to fly those ships and get those damages. Most are either noobs, carebears, or a few "old hands" with the bulk of the PvP players filtering into Low-Sec and Null-Sec relatively quickly since thats where most of the action is. Once they've been in PvP, getting back into those .8 or .9 systems can be a huge grind in Sec Status. I'm not saying it isn't doable, heck, I'm sure with the right planning you can find 50 people and take a POS down to reinforced mode in half that time, but its so statistically rare and difficult, that it might as well not exist as a possibility.

In contrast, assuming an average Dreadnought DPS of ~12.5k, which, following the same back of the envelope math mean it takes ~18.9 hours, for that one ship.

When you are attacking a POS, there should be something somewhere between finding 25 people and spending only 7.6 hours (just to bring it into Reinforced mode), and the Low/Null sec Dreadnought where 2 people can bring the same undefended POS to reinforced mode in a little under 9.5 hours.

Assuming the Pocket Dreadnought had ~1/3rd the DPS of a Dreadnought, that would put it at ~3k-4k DPS max (we'll assume 3.5 for calculations), which, using the same back of the envelope calculations again, would put it at ~68.2 "Full DPS, hours of attack" for a single Pocket Dread, and a little over 6.8 hours for 10 of them.

Finding 10 pilots with enough skill to get the DPS out of them, and a logistics train, is much more probable in High-Sec compared to 25 skilled in PvP, in the same Corp, and with the sec standing to go all the way into High Sec.

JP regardless of how you choose to setup a Large POS, I have yet to hear of any coming even remotely close to 860mil eHP
In-fact to me it seems like you barely understand how Resists work, or how they receive stacking penalities; which are considerably higher for POS Modules than on Ships.

Best Case Scenario for a pure Resist Large Tower, is probably closer to 200mil eHP ... still with that there are no problems imo, as all you have to do is shoot it, sure it might take a couple of hours; but it will go down without much resistance apart from whoever has the corp you've WarDec'd - really that comes down to a case of "is it worth bothering with?"

Sure sometimes in Low/Null you will drop some Dreadnoughts and/or Carriers to speed up POS bashing, but generally speaking when we're talking Large Towers; they become a neccesary evil as a sub-cap fleet gets slaughtered trying to take them due to the Weaponry attached ... which a Large Tower can frankly have a RIDICULOUS amount of Weaponry, which also take a considerable time to take down - often so long that reinforcing the tower frankly is a quicker and easier option.

Even a Medium Tower can field enough weaponry to make a Sub-Cap Fleet's life quick difficult when trying to take them down, but on the whole it still remains possible; and the whole point in POS Weaponry is to FORCE your enemy to field Capital Ships to deal with them, this makes people start to weigh up "is it worth dropping capitals to take this down?" as especially in Low-Sec they are very inviting targets.

Yet in High-Sec you don't have that option. If you can't handle the incoming damage from the guns, that POS might as well have the same eHP as a Small without Resists - you WILL lose more than it is worth to take the damn thing down, that is assuming you can break it before your entire fleet is wiped out. Especially as you have to be incredibly careful about fielding Logistics as the POS weaponry have a subtancial range, that becomes well "interesting" to maintain enough transversal in the Battleships to offset the damage they put down; while keeping the Logistics outside of their targetting range.

Should you ALSO have to fight an enemy fleet at the same time, then there is no chance of taking down the POS.

As I said I think frankly your calculations were literally pulled out of your rear-end, with no experience killing Player Structures; more than likely no experience at all dealing with them in High-Sec.

To me the ship (and stats) I proposed that I could probably do some concept ones for the other 3 races too, actually provides a good solution. Create it in EVE HQ and see for yourself... it is by no means over-powered or invinicible. Quite the opposite, as it has a far more specialised role similar to say a Stealth Bomber or Black Ops - it would also be quite useable outside of just High-Sec.

I like the idea of babydreads for lower class wormholes too, since it's the same issue as highsec - large towers with lots of hardeners/defenses and no caps to help bash them.

Stomping those towers can and does happen, but I still like the idea that'd help do it better than just pouring a billion t3s, tier 3 bcs, etc at it

I'm pretty sure you'd get more DPS with 2x lazors. Or a flight of Valkyries. Either one by itself.

I included a link to that thread in my top post. :)

I thought it was relevant from a POS/Anti-POS discussion, since it shows that it is POSSIBLE to mount a Capital weapon already, but the damage output without being able to engage a Siege module, meant it was pretty pointless from the DPS perspective.

I was going to post it in that thread, but it was locked so I posted it here. Hope you don't mind. I just like to put things in perspective so we don't have noobs wandering around saying "oh ya well I know a guy who puts cap weapons on his abaddon and sieges POSes!!"

I was actually asking if Nalha Saldana minded :P

We don't need a new ship to destroy defenceless POS.