EVE General Discussion

Okay, as I said, maybe up some of the fees in high sec. I will argue that perfect refining in the hubs of civilization makes perfect sense - do you think the most efficient factories in the world are in/near cities, or in the middle of the Sahara? You may argue the amount of the fees on manufacturing, but it is at least set up like a business - you use our factory, we charge you x amount per hour.

This I'll argue in the strongest possible sense - in what way do you figure high sec is NOT supposed to be civilized space? I mean, it isn't like it contains the stable corporations (NPC ones, that is), the capitols of the empires, most of the fleets belonging to those empires, the vast majority of the NPC settled worlds and population...oh, wait...
To take things further, in what way is "space that hasn't been claimed by one of the four factions" not uncivilized? No ties to organized and stable government, no police or rule of law, low population, what more do you need?

It shouldn't be the shittiest place to live, only one less secured by outside forces. Life there is meant to be tenuous, and tend not to come with the luxuries of places with long and stable histories under a single regime.

Please, make a list of all of the reasons people aren't going to the frontiers of EVE to make their fortunes. Be honest. I think if you are, you'll find that 90% of those reasons have to do with the people that are already there.

In a settled, less chaotic area, the factory owners can charge less (have to, because of competition). Null alliances have to pay out all the expenses of a government (which in high are assumed to be paid by all the poor NPC's) and the factory owner; they and their expenses set your prices. No matter how safe it is, you are paying the costs of the g

I'm not saying high sec isn't civilized, I'm saying that you can't just say that high sec is civilized therefore you should have an advantage, and that null is a wasteland and therefore shouldn't.

Null is "a wasteland" it's just were players can build empires because it isn't claimed by any faction. It's as civilized as the players make it, and where I live it's as civilized as any part of high sec.

That's like saying all town in the west during the gold rush were uncivilized, as if people didn't have law an order based on the amoutn of law and order they were willing to enforce.


Factory efficiency has nothing to do with where they're built, I'm tired of this excuse.

YOU'RE USING SOMEONE ELSES FACTORIES TO BUILD. I don't care were it is or how civilized the space it, you're using another companies factory to build ssomething and you pay less than I do, that doesn't make sense.

Not being picky dude but that would be like a fat kid saying we should close icecream shops and fast food joints.

reread your own post snippet.
then read mine again.

you said - find the post where pvpers saying they don't want risk.
i said - find me a fat kid saying we should close icecream shops.

no? don't get it? shame. it was a well crafted pun.

nvm.

Don't forget
"because letting maniacs run an arms factory in a civilized area's backyard keeps the game setting logical" and
"because i will beat u up at fanfest 4 calling me noob"

CCP should advertise the potential isk/hr of a mining fleet, that would bring in the subscribers for sure.

It was icecream.

Only the CFC guys want it changed because Mittens said so. Given you only have 49.5% of null, that's not most. Correct.

Reread that last line and tell me how that might relate to a highsec carebear. Go on. Put the carebear hat on and reread it. See anything?

Probably alts of nullseccers.

The main problem is "CCP, pay me to gank these miners" mentality.

And BAM.

Point proven.
Notice he only quoted that one line I wrote, and left out the part about devolving into rediculous arguements that have no baring on how the game plays...

While he makes a rediculous arguement that has nothing to do with how the game is played.

Bullshit.