Ships & Modules

I never knew how stupid it was of me to haul around double-wrapped cargo.

Back in the good 'ol days of Incursions (pre-nerf), I would haul around my wrapped T2 rigged Mach & Scimi + a crapton of mods (~10b worth), on autopilot, because I felf safe in my freighter, as I moved from Incursion to Incursion.

I got very lucky.

Freighters can use a small HP boost. Nothing spectacular but at least something needs to be done.

On another note there have been numerous threads requesting for a smaller freighter to close the gap between industrials and freighters.

No Orca is not the answer.

Freightors are not 'secure transports' - they are massive bulk transports. They require an escort when moving.

If you dont have one, it's your own fault when it pops.

A long time ago i heard that the "fill cargo with 1 stack crap" tactic was ruled as an exploit because it induced a large amount of lag into the system for scanners. I dont know if this is true, but can someone confirm/deny this?

Personally I like this tactic, though since i do not own a freighter i havent tried or used this.

I'm sorry but that doesn't make any sense. Every pile of trit would then be an exploit, because they have millions of units. Stacked units are essentially one "item" for the purpose of both the scan and the drop calc. The scanner will see the number of units in the stack, but I don't see how it would create more lag to have fewer "items" to track (that is almost certainly the reason for treating stacks as "items" for the drop calc, rather than running a calc on each unit in the stack). Scanners are really just localized database queries, they're not actually doing anything beyond the pretty effects and target locking graphic.

Well, DCU won't make any good for autopiloted ships
By the way, what's the reason people are asking for HP buff? All right, imagine you've got your small buff, now people need 2 catalysts or maybe 1 Brutix or Talos more. Nothing really changes, especially not for people hauling dozen of bils in cargohold.

You may say that freighter hauling only works for half-empty hauls now and that it's the only way to ISK tank it now and that's the reason...
Well, let's begin with a thing that tbh EVE (oh so grimdark game) is the first game/universe I've seen where defenceless spaceship can fly from point A to point B without escort and arrive in one piece. Now, do we really need this particular issue (if you so insist) to be solved by devs and not by people who own that pinata and with the help of CW2.0 that will come anyways?

Orca corp hangar isn't going to keep working for scan/drop avoidance.

Hi there everyone. I'd just like to throw out there that Push Industries will move an unlimited amount of collateral that scales at a fixed rate (Cost.) We have safely shuttled half a hundred billion across large distances - in one load. We have some proprietary methods but at the end of the day it's about the customer passing the risk to us. We're professionals, and we deliver higher valued packages at competitive prices and are faster than anyone else.

OP, use us. Freighters are not a normal ship, and they take a lot of practice and care to use efficiently.

Actually, with the sheer amount of HPS on a freighter, and so much of it of it being hull, 60% resist all from a DC2 would add an absolute ton of effective hps. Gankers would need a lot more ships to pull it off.

I agree this would not help afk freighters however, (and I agree with others above that no help should be given to them anyway. If you are carrying THAT much isk in your cargo, you should not be on autopilot!!!).


Really my only concern is that things again fall away from risk / reward. But I think this is more a problem with the Scanner mechanic than with the gank mechanic, which they have done a decent job at keeping inline through adjustments. If the ganker is making more of a gamble on weather or not profit will be involved, things are a bit more balanced. If they can just sit there all day, scanning every single ship that comes through at leisure, as though they are in a shopping mall, there is no risk. They KNOW guaranteed when they will pull a profit. Escorts wont help prevent this, in particular in bottleneck systems where there is no choice but to go through eventually.

But then, I harp on the whole risk / reward balance stage, sometimes a bit too much. It's my pet peeve. ;P


I still use my freighter, and my orca, and I still am careful about $ amounts when I travel. But I do feel that things were dangerous before, and now leaning too hard the other way (they were too far in favor of the transporter before with the unscannable / undroppable slots for Orca, but now its the polar opposite. If the pilot has 1 or 2 very expensive large items, there is no way to try and plan for or fit for moving it in a way to counter ganks, other than just hoping there is an hour that they are not sitting on a gate).

The game goes on, adaptation will be made, tears will be shed, and pew will be pewwed.

Cya out in the black,

~Z