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New Mega hull is bleh

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Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#81 - 2012-11-02 12:39:43 UTC
Luc Chastot wrote:


In fact, nature is symmetrica


Very very false
Morgan North
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#82 - 2012-11-02 12:56:20 UTC
Nature isn't completly 100% symetrical (It cant be since its not perfect). In general there is a slight, very slight or even hardly noticeable assymetry present, but in general, the larger the organism, the most likely it is to be almost purely symetrical in terms of mass distribution. Which due to hw inertia works, means its also near geometrically symetrical.

But I've already explained why ships sould be mostly symetrical.

TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#83 - 2012-11-02 13:31:39 UTC
If you like the new scorpion, your opinions are invalid and should be disregarded as wrong.
Logan LaMort
Screaming Hayabusa
#84 - 2012-11-02 13:37:28 UTC
Morgan North wrote:
Nature isn't completly 100% symetrical (It cant be since its not perfect). In general there is a slight, very slight or even hardly noticeable assymetry present, but in general, the larger the organism, the most likely it is to be almost purely symetrical in terms of mass distribution. Which due to hw inertia works, means its also near geometrically symetrical.

But I've already explained why ships sould be mostly symetrical.



In terms of mass distribution, yeah that has to be balanced, but your last statement confuses me. I mean just take a look at a human male, on the surface we look fairly symmetrical, apart from the testicles which are asymmetrical for functionality. But inside, our organs are anything but symmetrical in design, they're just balanced in terms of mass, but that doesn't make them geometrically symmetrical.

I see ship design in a similar way, as long as the mass is distributed evenly, the ship can be any shape or size and completely asymmetrical since there's no drag in space, it's all about the mass... and even then with the gravity manipulation technology present in New Eden, that's not such a huge deal either.
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#85 - 2012-11-02 14:02:55 UTC
TrouserDeagle wrote:
If you like the new scorpion, your opinions are invalid and should be disregarded as wrong.


Making a ship intentionally look like the animal it's named after is amazingly cheesy. That being said, the new scorp is easily my most hated model.
Aglais
Ice-Storm
#86 - 2012-11-02 14:14:08 UTC
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
TrouserDeagle wrote:
If you like the new scorpion, your opinions are invalid and should be disregarded as wrong.


Making a ship intentionally look like the animal it's named after is amazingly cheesy. That being said, the new scorp is easily my most hated model.


It looked like a broken half-scorpion before, do remember. It's not like it's looked like anything else.
Spugg Galdon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2012-11-02 14:33:18 UTC
I don't understand why people are complaining about the new Megathron when the Proteus in all it's variations is fugly can be. I'd love the Proteus to get a remodel to look balanced and not like a hand held vacuum cleaner.Roll
m3talc0re X
The Motley Crew of Disorder
The Gorram Shiney Alliance
#88 - 2012-11-02 15:08:54 UTC  |  Edited by: m3talc0re X
Some asymmetrical ships aren't bad. The didn't like the old Scorpion model, but it grew on me. Same with the Tempest and many other ships. But there are some that are just too damn ugly, the Moa being one of them.

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Those who dislike Moa only fly Drake and Tengu anyway, so their sense of taste is somehow questionable.

I fly the Drake and Tengu, but I've also flown the Moa. Moa looks more like one of the funk of the ewar ships. It doesn't fit as a gun boat. Merlin > Cormorant > Moa > Ferox > Rokh; it doesn't fit.

Also, yeah, the Proteus is ugly as hell. I can fly one, but I wont fly one...
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#89 - 2012-11-02 15:12:47 UTC
Aglais wrote:
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
TrouserDeagle wrote:
If you like the new scorpion, your opinions are invalid and should be disregarded as wrong.


Making a ship intentionally look like the animal it's named after is amazingly cheesy. That being said, the new scorp is easily my most hated model.


It looked like a broken half-scorpion before, do remember. It's not like it's looked like anything else.


Correct, it went from a **** model, to a moldy crusty **** model.
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#90 - 2012-11-02 15:26:09 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
if they redesign the moa I want it closer to the style the new tier 2 dessie picks up.



It should keep it's somewhat-vertical appeal, however.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#91 - 2012-11-02 15:31:57 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
if they redesign the moa I want it closer to the style the new tier 2 dessie picks up.



It should keep it's somewhat-vertical appeal, however.


Ship needs a total 100% redesign. No resemblance of the previous hull should be kept, it's simply the worst looking ship I've ever come across in any game, ever.
Maximus Andendare
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#92 - 2012-11-02 18:45:50 UTC
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
TrouserDeagle wrote:
If you like the new scorpion, your opinions are invalid and should be disregarded as wrong.


Making a ship intentionally look like the animal it's named after is amazingly cheesy. That being said, the new scorp is easily my most hated model.

Maybe the ship was created first, THEN named Scorpion?

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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#93 - 2012-11-02 22:30:11 UTC
the scorpion is an awesome model one of the only caldari ships that are even vaguely symmetrical and good looking ship

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
m3talc0re X
The Motley Crew of Disorder
The Gorram Shiney Alliance
#94 - 2012-11-03 00:20:31 UTC
I liked the old shape better. Now it's just too damn obvious. Next they'll put legs and pincers on the damn thing.
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#95 - 2012-11-03 08:47:13 UTC
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
Cajun Style wrote:
I'm amazed we've gotten this far in the thread without anyone bringing up the crucifier/sentinel.

Yes these ship are ugly and I know whats going to happen with them



A couple questions...

We've seen a concept for a new Imicus for a while, and I heard there is a new Heron in the works. I'm most interesting in the Heron hull - will that be part of Retribution? And since both of those are T1 exploration ships, am I correct in assuming all exploration frigate hulls are being redone?

Also, the white board in one of the dev videos implied that the Typhoon hull is being redone. God knows it needs to be, it's low-poly ugliness right now. So, is it?
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#96 - 2012-11-03 09:22:53 UTC
m3talc0re X wrote:
I liked the old shape better. Now it's just too damn obvious. Next they'll put legs and pincers on the damn thing.

That's for the rogue drone scorpion.
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Einheit X-6
#97 - 2012-11-03 10:08:44 UTC
m3talc0re X wrote:
I liked the old shape better. Now it's just too damn obvious. Next they'll put legs and pincers on the damn thing.


you could team up with this Gustav Mannfred person who whines all day about all the old stuff that was renewed the last two years. maybe ccp starts up a old server with the release version of eve where you can bask in nostalgia....
every ship remake they made so far is a major improvement. one does not need to like the paradigm shift from lopsided to symmetrical ships. but the new destroyer is assymetrical again and i guess there just more subtle and elegant with the whole asymmetry buisiness.
you can't possibly deny that the increased level of detail of all the reworks is a good thing.

back on topic:
new mega hull is good and looks more alike like all the new gallente ships and their style.
i really like where the gallente style is going. less lsd-dream-cancer-biology and more fluid-but-distinct-awesomeness.
Solhild
Doomheim
#98 - 2012-11-03 11:19:17 UTC
Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:
m3talc0re X wrote:
I liked the old shape better. Now it's just too damn obvious. Next they'll put legs and pincers on the damn thing.


you could team up with this Gustav Mannfred person who whines all day about all the old stuff that was renewed the last two years. maybe ccp starts up a old server with the release version of eve where you can bask in nostalgia....
every ship remake they made so far is a major improvement. one does not need to like the paradigm shift from lopsided to symmetrical ships. but the new destroyer is assymetrical again and i guess there just more subtle and elegant with the whole asymmetry buisiness.
you can't possibly deny that the increased level of detail of all the reworks is a good thing.

back on topic:
new mega hull is good and looks more alike like all the new gallente ships and their style.
i really like where the gallente style is going. less lsd-dream-cancer-biology and more fluid-but-distinct-awesomeness.


Shame this new direction meant that some excellent detail work and precious art dev man hours were wasted on the new Reaper. There is nothing about the structure of that design that makes sense. As for the Scorpion, it would look fine if the current model was tweaked to fly in the reverse direction.
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#99 - 2012-11-03 12:12:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Daneel Trevize
Back back on topic:

The Mega is a DPS boat, almost always a blaster boat. Especially the varients like the Kronos and Vindicator with their strength but not range bonus to webbing.
Just once more compare those two linked images (why doesnt this forum let two links remain separated by spaces?!). Ignore the broken terrible new texture for now.

The top front half of the old ship has a single fluid convex curve, it it like a muscle across a shoulder (true to the game's canon of organic racial inspiration) and emphasises the potential power of the highest DPS sub-cap ship in the game. The front then curves down and only forwards to the horns/spikes (giving no quarter, there is it being close, and it being in your face). The rear half is shorter than the front with flowing curves and gives a sense of compactness and up-front focus.

The new model is undeniably bent along the top, and then has frowny eyebrows, a concave face, and just looks sad/depressed about the situation it finds itself in. The back half is now terribly straight lined, long and utterly forgettable.

Never mind that the texture should also invoke organic form and not plate metal, the ship is a fighting bull, not a pathetic rectangle with a melted front like someone's held a burning candle out horizontal and it's weakened itself.

Try again, do it justice. Please.
Morgan North
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#100 - 2012-11-03 12:55:02 UTC
Logan LaMort wrote:
Morgan North wrote:
Nature isn't completly 100% symetrical (It cant be since its not perfect). In general there is a slight, very slight or even hardly noticeable assymetry present, but in general, the larger the organism, the most likely it is to be almost purely symetrical in terms of mass distribution. Which due to hw inertia works, means its also near geometrically symetrical.

But I've already explained why ships sould be mostly symetrical.



In terms of mass distribution, yeah that has to be balanced, but your last statement confuses me. I mean just take a look at a human male, on the surface we look fairly symmetrical, apart from the ********* which are asymmetrical for functionality. But inside, our organs are anything but symmetrical in design, they're just balanced in terms of mass, but that doesn't make them geometrically symmetrical.

I see ship design in a similar way, as long as the mass is distributed evenly, the ship can be any shape or size and completely asymmetrical since there's no drag in space, it's all about the mass... and even then with the gravity manipulation technology present in New Eden, that's not such a huge deal either.



They are assymetrically placed, but not overly so. Geometric symetry is usually used when the mass distribution is constant thought the body, but, if you had a very very large squared panel on your left arm, and it weighed the same as a very very small panel on your right arm, and they were at such a distance that their mass centers would provide for a mass-inertia symetry, you'd still turn faster to your righ than to your left, due to the geometrical inertia properties. The two are used in conjuction but are slightly different.