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EVE reflect the true nature of humanity.

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Azumi Zimu
#101 - 2012-10-30 13:51:39 UTC
Dalneya Yakovtu wrote:
Azumi Zimu wrote:

You don't need to separate them, it's natural for humans to form society in order to protect themselves from other individuals.


This assumes that society is an evolutionary adaptation to protect the species from itself, which is absurd.


What's absurd about an animal finding protection in numbers?
Dalneya Yakovtu
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#102 - 2012-10-30 14:15:31 UTC
Azumi Zimu wrote:
[quote=Dalneya Yakovtu][quote=Azumi Zimu]
What's absurd about an animal finding protection in numbers?


Nothing.

What is absurd is the idea that an animal with no other strong evolutionary advantage could ever be successful enough that it would need to develop mechanisms to protect it from itself. Societal behavior must have developed as a survival mechanism first in order for humans to ever become a credible threat to each other. Otherwise the species would have killed itself off in very short order.
Azumi Zimu
#103 - 2012-10-30 14:24:12 UTC
Dalneya Yakovtu wrote:
Azumi Zimu wrote:
[quote=Dalneya Yakovtu][quote=Azumi Zimu]
What's absurd about an animal finding protection in numbers?


Nothing.

What is absurd is the idea that an animal with no other strong evolutionary advantage could ever be successful enough that it would need to develop mechanisms to protect it from itself. Societal behavior must have developed as a survival mechanism first in order for humans to ever become a credible threat to each other. Otherwise the species would have killed itself off in very short order.


Society isn't unique to humans, it's found in similar forms throughout mammalia. You're making the mistake of glorifying humanity and it doesn't surprise me considering your outlook. We study social interaction in monkeys, even dolphin pods. You know, dolphins can defend themselves against and even kill a shark, this is relevant to what we're discussing.

It's interesting you brought up evolution considering I think you need to consider our origins when talking about human nature.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#104 - 2012-10-30 14:29:00 UTC
Azumi Zimu wrote:


It's interesting you brought up evolution considering I think you need to consider our origins when talking about human nature.


Ah, so our nature comes from our "divine creator, who created us in his own image and loved us all very much", is that what you were gonna say?

I think I rather be result of evolutionary progress over the millions of years then and credit our human nature thing to the environment that we grow up in and anything else that may trigger a darker side of our behavior.

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Azumi Zimu
#105 - 2012-10-30 14:29:48 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Azumi Zimu wrote:


It's interesting you brought up evolution considering I think you need to consider our origins when talking about human nature.


Ah, so our nature comes from our "divine creator, who created us in his own image and loved us all very much", is that what you were gonna say?

I think I rather be result of evolutionary progress over the millions of years then and credit our human nature thing to the environment that we grow up in and anything else that may trigger a darker side of our behavior.


Did you even read the beginning of my post?
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#106 - 2012-10-30 14:33:00 UTC
Azumi Zimu wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Azumi Zimu wrote:


It's interesting you brought up evolution considering I think you need to consider our origins when talking about human nature.


Ah, so our nature comes from our "divine creator, who created us in his own image and loved us all very much", is that what you were gonna say?

I think I rather be result of evolutionary progress over the millions of years then and credit our human nature thing to the environment that we grow up in and anything else that may trigger a darker side of our behavior.


Did you even read the beginning of my post?


Nope. As it was obvious it came from a accredited armchair psychologist such as yourself, I thought I'd waste no time at it and jump right into the middle of it.

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Azumi Zimu
#107 - 2012-10-30 14:35:48 UTC
Alpheias wrote:

Nope. As it was obvious it came from a accredited armchair psychologist such as yourself, I thought I'd waste no time at it and jump right into the middle of it.


Nice job there.
Azumi Zimu
#108 - 2012-10-30 14:37:50 UTC
Next topic: The breathtaking stupidity within humanity, why democracy will always inevitably fail.
Dalneya Yakovtu
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#109 - 2012-10-30 14:52:45 UTC
Azumi Zimu wrote:

Society isn't unique to humans, it's found in similar forms throughout mammalia. You're making the mistake of glorifying humanity and it doesn't surprise me considering your outlook. We study social interaction in monkeys, even dolphin pods. You know, dolphins can defend themselves against and even kill a shark, this is relevant to what we're discussing.

It's interesting you brought up evolution considering I think you need to consider our origins when talking about human nature.


I'm afraid you've missed my point entirely.

My point was that humans did not develop societal behavior to protect themselves from other humans. It developed much earlier, long before the ancestral species were even recognizable as primates. And it developed as an evolutionary advantage for a species that was physically unimpressive but quite high on brainpower.

The fact that so many other species (not just mammals either) display similar behavior and thrive on it underlines that very point.

It must be human nature to be social creatures. It can't be some sort of artificial overlay that keeps our supposed "true nature" in check. If people were naturally inclined to rob, **** and kill their way through life, we would now be living in a profoundly different world (probably one with no humans in it).