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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#81 - 2012-10-29 01:44:14 UTC
White Quake wrote:
My question would be, what would a highly educated player with wealth and teenage children, be doing, posting on, online forums all day non stop, when you had money and children that need to be entertained? You would not, it would be terrible parenting and outright child neglect to plant yourself on your PC, not to mention a terrible role model?

lolz. dude. Are you serious?!

My teenage children are at school. They have no need to be entertained - yet. (It's DAY time - Monday).

Taking aggregate procreation modelling, one could make a reasonable assumption about my age just as you Sir suggested you have recently bathed your children. My children bathe themselves.

But alas, I am now also a terrible parent, bad role model, and neglect my children.

And the errr.... higher education and wealth preclude me from needing to be higher educated or more wealthy. Perhaps you missed the "I am semi-retired" bit.

And yet, if by being highly educated and wealthy in this, my VR world, means I am stupid and poor in my RL world, then the converse is now true in relation to my parenting skills? I am in fact a good parent in RL and a bad parent in VR?

Fortunately I have no children who are not really children so those children who do not exist have no issues with me. Thank golly gosh.

..oo00oo..

In fairness and in retrospect, I reread your OP. You are indeed "correct" now - because my view now parallels yours exactly. I am absolutely convinced that some people should NOT post on forums because it brings the quality down.

I totally agree.

Bravo and +1....

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#82 - 2012-10-29 01:44:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Wacktopia
Am I high reading this?

Anyone who's seen serious smacktalk in-game will know that it often contains racist, misogynistic, anti-religion, pornographic, expletive, and generally offensive content. None of it filtered. None of it moderated.

None of the above list exists on the forums. In-game smack is much worse than forum smack by an absolute MILE.

If you've played the game for 10 years and find the forums worse than in-game smack-talk then you are very lucky tbh.

Sure, people are fairly tough on the forums but there are also a lot of helpful players too. Want to see a rough forum, try heading over to kugutsumen or something of the like.

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#83 - 2012-10-29 02:03:02 UTC
Wacktopia wrote:
Am I high reading this?

Anyone who's seen serious smacktalk in-game will know that it often contains racist, misogynistic, anti-religion, pornographic, expletive, and generally offensive content. None of it filtered. None of it moderated.

None of the above list exists on the forums. In-game smack is much worse than forum smack by an absolute MILE.

If you've played the game for 10 years and find the forums worse than in-game smack-talk then you are very lucky tbh.

Sure, people are fairly tough on the forums but there are also a lot of helpful players too. Want to see a rough forum, try heading over to kugutsumen or something of the like.

To be fair, OP suggested that forum viewing be restricted to paid accounts which some might deem prudent.

We'd still need to be censoring everything to fit the 13+ genre. ofc, we can then lift the rating to 18+ and REALLY cut loose...

And then someone of "higher moral judgement" will be offended and we'll end up in a moderated adult forum singing Kumbaya with some other wowser looking for the hidden satanic meaning if we sing it backwards.......and......

My original retort in all of this and it is a solution for all the people who do not LIKE what they see

htfu, or stfu and gtfo. << I was NOT being "angry". I was being frank. and I don't want to Frank, my name is Touval. I am a 249 year old veteran of nothing, my mother was a Minmatar slave and my father was a Caldari naval officer. We think.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#84 - 2012-10-29 02:11:03 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Wacktopia wrote:
*snip*

To be fair, OP suggested that forum viewing be restricted to paid accounts which some might deem prudent.

We'd still need to be censoring everything to fit the 13+ genre. ofc, we can then lift the rating to 18+ and REALLY cut loose...

And then someone of "higher moral judgement" will be offended and we'll end up in a moderated adult forum singing Kumbaya with some other wowser looking for the hidden satanic meaning if we sing it backwards.......and......

My original retort in all of this and it is a solution for all the people who do not LIKE what they see

htfu, or stfu and gtfo. << I was NOT being "angry". I was being frank. and I don't want to Frank, my name is Touval. I am a 249 year old veteran of nothing, my mother was a Minmatar slave and my father was a Caldari naval officer. We think.


Yeah, can't say I disagree.

I was just surprised someone who had played for 10 years was on this forum complaining about the smack and abuse when really it's quite mild from anything you will receive in game.

The forums are a much better place thanks to the ISD. At least discussions flow and are not completely swamped by trolling and junk.

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#85 - 2012-10-29 02:21:31 UTC
White Quake wrote:
In 2003 i sat at my pc, in 2003 i had a friend come over to play CSS with me on his laptop, as he walked through the door he had a rather excited look on his face, which was odd as he never really got excited about anything, he turns to me and says "i found an awsum space beta game called EvE Online, mate, it's really good, exactly what we have been looking for" i nodded and pointed to my screen "ill make some tea, bring it up and we'll have a look".

Since then i have been here, through thick and thin, ever loyal, ever here, ever supporting CCP in there ideals on what EvE should be. I have always received each patch with either excitement (Incursions/Cap Ships) or resignation that CCP is in fact drunk 24/7 (FW/Mission Buff/Fuel Blocks <-- seriously wtf?) i never once UN-subbed, my friend never did, the two friends we invited to play never did. We are still here.

About 6 months ago the very same friend who, that one night, showed me the epic game that is the harshness of EvE, asked me "do you, use the forums at all?" I laughed and said "no mate, i have heard far to much, shall we say negative reports about the forums" he chortled and said "yeh, it's ten times worse now". I shrugged and kept pounding the Vindicator pirate who was stupid enough to attack three mach's in syndicate camping a gate.

I then 4 days ago decided to actually check out the forums. I finally rolled a Caldari alt and wanted some info so i had a look around. i saw this forum and thought, could be interesting, so i stopped hunting faction fitted idiots and looked here for a few days.

Disgust doesn't even begin to describe what i am feeling right now, i am no stranger to *smack talk* or *trolling* but the level of abuse/trolling on this forum is beyond reprehensible and has left me feeling some what, shaken about what EvE has become. My concern is that CCP seems unconcerned about what this. We all know there is a drop is players and activity in Null Sec, it is harder for me and my friends to get fights in a small group, we have never joined an alliance or corp, we have always had our own. I have a very real concern that CCP really doesn't care.

Or at the very least, should make the forums only viewable by paying accounts. I applaud CCP for there harsh world, i love it, but the forums are not harsh, they are without feeling and hostile. This needs to be addressed.

Anyway, i just wanted to post this, Ive never posted anywhere before so. Hope i did right. I did adhere to the custom of using an alt to post aswell


Nice post. but.. I think that CCP knows what is going on in EVE. but I think that They cant't do anything about it. It's sad but everyone who was interested in Eve already played in it and decided stay or quit. I think that the only option for CCP to keep company healthy and survive is to invest in "Avatars games" first -> Dust -> Wis -> Avatar Content -> player housing etc.. Games Market changed, times changed. Spaceships and only spaceships game was good in 2005 but now its very different. Eve have some problems like: too time consuming - and as we know today market is (play and quit and go back) "free to play model" and soon we will be playing games for real cash prizes (today's ESL for eg.)

Times changed
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#86 - 2012-10-29 03:11:10 UTC
Keen Fallsword wrote:
Nice post. but.. I think that CCP knows what is going on in EVE. but I think that They cant't do anything about it. It's sad but everyone who was interested in Eve already played in it and decided stay or quit. I think that the only option for CCP to keep company healthy and survive is to invest in "Avatars games" first -> Dust -> Wis -> Avatar Content -> player housing etc.. Games Market changed, times changed. Spaceships and only spaceships game was good in 2005 but now its very different. Eve have some problems like: too time consuming - and as we know today market is (play and quit and go back) "free to play model" and soon we will be playing games for real cash prizes (today's ESL for eg.)

Times changed

Haha, you seeing this, General Discussion?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Freakdevil
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2012-10-29 04:42:56 UTC
Forums have always been that dark place you go but tread carefully. Not sure what the big deal is. Most games have a vocal minority who like to use it to further their agenda. Either use it or not, who cares. And actually I don't find them that bad. Then again considering where I have been the last few years its a picnic really.

And you rolled an alt to speak your mind too? Wow, talk about scared. This is just a freaking game.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#88 - 2012-10-29 04:44:44 UTC
Freakdevil wrote:
Forums have always been that dark place you go but tread carefully. Not sure what the big deal is. Most games have a vocal minority who like to use it to further their agenda.

Tell me more about how evil gankers and bumpers are.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Ghazu
#89 - 2012-10-29 04:50:50 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Keen Fallsword wrote:
Nice post. but.. I think that CCP knows what is going on in EVE. but I think that They cant't do anything about it. It's sad but everyone who was interested in Eve already played in it and decided stay or quit. I think that the only option for CCP to keep company healthy and survive is to invest in "Avatars games" first -> Dust -> Wis -> Avatar Content -> player housing etc.. Games Market changed, times changed. Spaceships and only spaceships game was good in 2005 but now its very different. Eve have some problems like: too time consuming - and as we know today market is (play and quit and go back) "free to play model" and soon we will be playing games for real cash prizes (today's ESL for eg.)

Times changed

Haha, you seeing this, General Discussion?

hey let's get ccp's to change its model from longevity to korean disposable 4 month life cycle games.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#90 - 2012-10-29 04:55:28 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Keen Fallsword wrote:
Nice post. but.. I think that CCP knows what is going on in EVE. but I think that They cant't do anything about it. It's sad but everyone who was interested in Eve already played in it and decided stay or quit. I think that the only option for CCP to keep company healthy and survive is to invest in "Avatars games" first -> Dust -> Wis -> Avatar Content -> player housing etc.. Games Market changed, times changed. Spaceships and only spaceships game was good in 2005 but now its very different. Eve have some problems like: too time consuming - and as we know today market is (play and quit and go back) "free to play model" and soon we will be playing games for real cash prizes (today's ESL for eg.)

Times changed

Haha, you seeing this, General Discussion?

hey let's get ccp's to change its model from longevity to korean disposable 4 month life cycle games.

I seriously hope their discount rate isn't so high that the 4 month looks like a better deal...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
ImSexy AndIKnoIT
Doomheim
#91 - 2012-10-29 06:03:42 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Gillia Winddancer wrote:
Well, wasn't there this one sexy suggestion about binding the new bounty system to the forums or some such a while back? Whilst I don't know whether CCP ever took that suggestion seriously it sure was interesting.

Where smack-talkers and forum knights alike would be exposed to the glorious risks of bounty life should anyone else see it fit.



Ho please put bounty on this badger pilot 800'ish sp, please please please please, I need some isk. Lol


How to dislike ?
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#92 - 2012-10-29 06:12:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
Never mind.

Oh god.
Herr Hammer Draken
#93 - 2012-10-29 06:37:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Herr Hammer Draken
White Quake wrote:
[quote=Touval LysanderFirstly. I'm probably a lot older than you think. I'm semi-retired with teenage children. I'm also highly educated and wealthy. I did not achieve those things by being a "troll" or a "moron" in real life.

With all due respect, I doubt this statement very much. I have looked into your post history over the past week, it is pretty much constant. If you were indeed "wealthy" you would not be sat on EvE Online forums, nor would you be playing a video game non stop, you would be out living your life, doing what ever it is that wealthy people do.

In terms of people who say "i am highly educated and wealthy" this normally translates into "i am some what poor, have low self esteem and lie on the internet because people cannot prove otherwise".

Myself for instance, i am married, four children, i am not wealthy, i attended Oxford Brookes university and have a degree in IT, i live a comfortable existence.

Back to your point. The "real life" persona is a complete fiction, a simple study of Psychology will prove this, there have been numerous tests done on this in the past ten years. A player, if he/she is openly disrespectful towards others in "a game" is in fact very polite in real life, not confident and mainly keeps to themselves. However, this being said, a player who acts this way, would in effect act the very same way in "real life" if they could in fact get away with it easily. Now, you can respond with a intellectual argument about how wrong i am, and you are right, this will only further my point, if you take the time to dissect this post and point out flaws, id suggest logging off.

Since my last post, i have bathed three children, read two of them a bed time story, been to the shop, been to a friends house to pick up Photoshop and had a cup of tea and a bacon sandwich, in this time you have posted everywhere on the forums and trolled multiple people, a simple look at your posting history will prove this.

My question would be, what would a highly educated player with wealth and teenage children, be doing, posting on, online forums all day non stop, when you had money and children that need to be entertained? You would not, it would be terrible parenting and outright child neglect to plant yourself on your PC, not to mention a terrible role model?

Now, I'm off to bed as my youngest wakes up at around 6am and the other three, shortly after and so begins the day. I would suggest with your wealth and highly educated self, to think more of your children, and less time trying to look like a big man on the internet.

Sleep Well.


Touval Lysander is the kind of poster that you can just block. You would never miss anything important. Because he never says anything important about eve. Any idea he dreams up is junk. He is all about the internet banter and if that does nothing for you then block it and you miss nothing but the banter. No loss.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
White Quake
Doomheim
#94 - 2012-10-29 09:18:03 UTC  |  Edited by: White Quake
Good morning

The thing is, we never left our corp we made nor did we join any alliance. We simply never have, the rl friends have posted here before, in fact our little corp is well known for causing hell across null sec.

That being said, i never really spoke outside our corp, i simply wasn't interested, if the abuse/trolling got to bad in local i just used to block people

But what i see on here. Not really sure, i just instantly disliked this section of the forums

I have also looked at the COAD and Ideas forum, crime and punishment, they are all terrible. These forums need to be cleaned up. I showed a friend called Nathan this forum last night and the some of the responses here in this very thread, he just said "looks like a whole bunch of drama".

Also Touval Lysander, my oldest is 15, and i still take him out as much as i possibly can, as i do with all my children after i lost my son in an accident, the post was not meant to insult you, i advised you to spend as much time with your children as possible. The loss when they are gone, is indescribable. Apologies if my post seemed otherwise. I am still new to forum *poasting* <-- did i do that right?
Syna Anima
SYNDAX CORPORATION
#95 - 2012-10-29 10:40:38 UTC
A thread worth reading. Thx OP and nice posts. Smile

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Lilly Tiger
Megalith Heavy Industries
#96 - 2012-10-29 13:28:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilly Tiger
I agree with OP on the forum part, but think this also is happening increasingly in game.

The forum and much of player base unfortunately has gone a lot more towards becoming increasingly hostile and finding fun in hurting others just for the fun of seeing others hurt in EVE in these last few years. That's my opinion.

And apparently based on the amount of posts like the OP one and the replies in them, the opinion of quite a few other players.

To take a quote from a Batman movie:
"Some Men Just Want to Watch the World Burn"

An example that saddens me on this is how doing industry in this game is somehow seen as "wrong gameplay", while scamming is seen as perfectly legit by more and more people. I know both are allowed in the game (and they should be - this IS a PVP game on all arenas), but why reward the people behaving like parasites more than the ones trying to build something for themselves and others? Its easier, and more popular it seems, these days to just sit in a trade hub with an alt and spam scams than trying to mine (without macro..) and build something.


Now CCP can ignore this or do something about it. Regardless, this split in mentality between rude asshats and more civil people that I enjoy gaming with is something that will explode sooner or later i think. Saying GTFO to either group will cut lots of CCPs profits, so I dont think they want to do that.

(and these 2 categories of people do NOT equate to Carebears and PVPers in my eyes. there are lots of civil PVPers and rude carebears as well).





Touval Lysander wrote:


.... ( lots of angry stuff that may or may not be within the posters rights (who am i to decide) )

My original retort in all of this and it is a solution for all the people who do not LIKE what they see

htfu, or stfu and gtfo. << I was NOT being "angry". I was being frank. and I don't want to Frank, my name is Touval. I am a 249 year old veteran of nothing, my mother was a Minmatar slave and my father was a Caldari naval officer. We think.



You can be whoever you want to be, but you DO know that General Discussion is not a specifically in character forum right? That forum is called Intergalactic Summit.

Feel free to be however much in character in GD as you want, but don't try to force other people to "split" between your in character and real persona because that is the appropriate thing for the forum. It is not. If you act like an asshat in a forum that where many people behave like themselves, expect to be treated like you are one in real life.

I post on this forum pretty much how i speak in real life, and the idiots and rude people here annoy me just as much in real life as in here.

Like i said, i can't decide what you think is the line to not cross on posting on the forums here.
I can however decide that i am annoyed at people not being a bit civil when discussing on the EVE forums and that it puts me off EVE when the PLAYERS are the game's biggest issue for me.




So for the TL;DR crowd:
1: I agree with OP and i think the quoted poster is too angry for something he isn't entitled to be angry about.

2: get a freaking attention span! Read a book or something to learn to focus more than 5 seconds on each thing. Not everything in life can be divided into Twitter-like portions of information..



( I dont have kids and im probably younger than both the quoted poster and OP, i started with EVE in 2005 and I'm a computer engineer in my early thirties without kids. Don't have to be an old geezer to have low tolerance for bullshit and rudeness Pirate)
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#97 - 2012-10-29 13:53:55 UTC
White Quake wrote:
These forums need to be cleaned up. I showed a friend called Nathan this forum last night and the some of the responses here in this very thread, he just said "looks like a whole bunch of drama".


It's your opinion that they need to be cleaned up. While there are a lot of bad threads and replies on this forum, I don't think it's fair to punish all users by enforcing strict posting regulations.

Like your friend said, there's a lot of drama here, but that's one of the main draws of GD for me. I come here because I enjoy the drama and the trolling because it's usually quite entertaining. There are exceptions, and those exceptions are dealt with by ISD. In terms of bad attitudes and argumentative personalities, that's just a reflection of the userbase. I don't think there's any need to force grown adults to play nicely with one another, especially if they don't want to.

These forums may not be for you but you always have the option of finding an alternative forum or even creating your own forum where you can enforce your own standards. I can't tell CCP how to control the posting here but I can say I would find it a whole lot more boring if strict rules were put in place to make sure any user with a sensitive disposition will never have their feelings hurt.

Oh god.
ImSexy AndIKnoIT
Doomheim
#98 - 2012-10-29 13:57:12 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
White Quake wrote:
These forums need to be cleaned up. I showed a friend called Nathan this forum last night and the some of the responses here in this very thread, he just said "looks like a whole bunch of drama".


It's your opinion that they need to be cleaned up. While there are a lot of bad threads and replies on this forum, I don't think it's fair to punish all users by enforcing strict posting regulations.

Like your friend said, there's a lot of drama here, but that's one of the main draws of GD for me. I come here because I enjoy the drama and the trolling because it's usually quite entertaining. There are exceptions, and those exceptions are dealt with by ISD. In terms of bad attitudes and argumentative personalities, that's just a reflection of the userbase. I don't think there's any need to force grown adults to play nicely with one another, especially if they don't want to.

These forums may not be for you but you always have the option of finding an alternative forum or even creating your own forum where you can enforce your own standards. I can't tell CCP how to control the posting here but I can say I would find it a whole lot more boring if strict rules were put in place to make sure any user with a sensitive disposition will never have their feelings hurt.


Riot Girl wrote:
Never mind.
Lilly Tiger
Megalith Heavy Industries
#99 - 2012-10-29 13:59:33 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
White Quake wrote:
These forums need to be cleaned up. I showed a friend called Nathan this forum last night and the some of the responses here in this very thread, he just said "looks like a whole bunch of drama".


It's your opinion that they need to be cleaned up. While there are a lot of bad threads and replies on this forum, I don't think it's fair to punish all users by enforcing strict posting regulations.

Like your friend said, there's a lot of drama here, but that's one of the main draws of GD for me. I come here because I enjoy the drama and the trolling because it's usually quite entertaining. There are exceptions, and those exceptions are dealt with by ISD. In terms of bad attitudes and argumentative personalities, that's just a reflection of the userbase. I don't think there's any need to force grown adults to play nicely with one another, especially if they don't want to.

These forums may not be for you but you always have the option of finding an alternative forum or even creating your own forum where you can enforce your own standards. I can't tell CCP how to control the posting here but I can say I would find it a whole lot more boring if strict rules were put in place to make sure any user with a sensitive disposition will never have their feelings hurt.



I think the problem is that his view is not just his view, but the view of a significant part of the playerbase, based on the amount of posts (and thread before the OPs thread) on this.

You enjoy GD the way it is now, good for you. The issue is more how many enjoy it and how many don't, in addition to the point: will this kind of forum thrash talk attract more or less players that CCP want in the game?
Reptail
#100 - 2012-10-29 14:03:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Reptail
Lilly Tiger wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
White Quake wrote:
These forums need to be cleaned up. I showed a friend called Nathan this forum last night and the some of the responses here in this very thread, he just said "looks like a whole bunch of drama".


It's your opinion that they need to be cleaned up. While there are a lot of bad threads and replies on this forum, I don't think it's fair to punish all users by enforcing strict posting regulations.

Like your friend said, there's a lot of drama here, but that's one of the main draws of GD for me. I come here because I enjoy the drama and the trolling because it's usually quite entertaining. There are exceptions, and those exceptions are dealt with by ISD. In terms of bad attitudes and argumentative personalities, that's just a reflection of the userbase. I don't think there's any need to force grown adults to play nicely with one another, especially if they don't want to.

These forums may not be for you but you always have the option of finding an alternative forum or even creating your own forum where you can enforce your own standards. I can't tell CCP how to control the posting here but I can say I would find it a whole lot more boring if strict rules were put in place to make sure any user with a sensitive disposition will never have their feelings hurt.



I think the problem is that his view is not just his view, but the view of a significant part of the playerbase, based on the amount of posts (and thread before the OPs thread) on this.

You enjoy GD the way it is now, good for you. The issue is more how many enjoy it and how many don't, in addition to the point: will this kind of forum thrash talk attract more or less players that CCP want in the game?


That's rubbish thrash, if u allow thrash, allow real thrash, intelligence thrash not fat stupid bacon thrash.

Edit: damn i copied ur thrash word that is wrong damn u, it's trash!

Ground Shiwer