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CynoNet Two
GSF Logistics and Posting Reserves
Goonswarm Federation
#81 - 2011-10-03 12:06:21 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Zymurgist
Zeveron wrote:
Before the nerf/change (put whatever you want) can you pls fix the following things?

1. Leviathan shield bonus. To get at full shields after of my OWN bonus application, I need 5-6h. And the shield bonus dont give you anything when a gazilion of ships (whatever size) shoots you.

2. Crystal vs Slave set. Is there any reason that armor tanks get an extra bonus here? And not to talk about akemons implant.

3. Pasive vs active tank. Is there a reason that armor tanked supers have like 4-5 times better tank than armor tanked supers. And thats mostly passive (with all what it brings)?

AFTER you fix those things, you can change the DD, the role of the ships, or delete the damn ships so we can all have peace........


1. Should be fixed for general shield tanking, not just for the benefit of supercaps.

2. Yes there is. If you compare equal meta level shield gear to armour gear, you find that shield tankers come out with the same EHP levels due to active omni tank modules (invulns). The root cause is not that armour tankers get extra HP from slave sets, the issue is that their high-meta level armour gear is spawned more and in less demand than high-meta shield gear. Blame the empire missioners paying billions to pimp out their CNR's for this one.
Deadspace invulns wouldn't hurt though.

3. As above, at equal meta levels shield is on par with armour. The key difference is that armour gets more EHP from raw HP levels while shield gets it from resists, making it more efficient to remote rep. Shield also regenerates on its own. This can negate several thousand dps alone, so if your Leviathan takes 10mins to destroy imagine how much damage the innate passive tank is absorbing in that time.

Trolling removed. Zymurgist
Josefius
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
#82 - 2011-10-03 13:51:53 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Needa3 wrote:
another clear sign ccp has no clue what they are doing.

soon titans will die to 10 man bs gangs with logi support.

CCp do you really think screwing up more is going to make people come back. youhave the awesome number of 26.000 players online right now. It use to we double.

don't you thing it is time to turn time back to Red Moon Rising?


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I bought a big expensive auto-win button and now its being fixed

a bloobloobloo



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Pestilent Industries
Doomheim
#83 - 2011-10-03 15:09:23 UTC
I am going to have to come out and say that in this thread I see a lot of bitter newbies who are jealous of older rich experienced players who have invested the countless hours and immense amounts of ISK into purchasing and training for titans crying their eyes out over not having one themselves, and being very jealous of those who do.

I can promise that if any of these cry babies had their own titans, all complaints would disappear.

That said, Titans need to be balanced, and I am fine with this change, but holy crap, the amount of "have-not" tears in this thread is disgusting.
DeliciousHamBeast
The Elenianlightenment
#84 - 2011-10-03 16:21:58 UTC
This sounds like a good idea to me; however you're all missing the most important question: Can you DD a Large Collidable Object, or does she count as a subcap? Big smile

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#85 - 2011-10-03 17:10:16 UTC
Pestilent Industries wrote:
I am going to have to come out and say that in this thread I see a lot of bitter newbies who are jealous of older rich experienced players who have invested the countless hours and immense amounts of ISK into purchasing and training for titans crying their eyes out over not having one themselves, and being very jealous of those who do.

I can promise that if any of these cry babies had their own titans, all complaints would disappear.

That said, Titans need to be balanced, and I am fine with this change, but holy crap, the amount of "have-not" tears in this thread is disgusting.


I'm more than capable of buying and flying my own supercap but chose not to because it was blatantly obvious a year or more ago they were going to get nerfed. A lot of short sighted idiots chose to hop on the bandwagon thinking that a supercap was a one-way ticket to Elite Pee Vee Pee status and that spending 50 billion or more on a ship would guarantee them risk-free killmail printing for life, and a lot of previously well regarded corps and alliances chose to sully their reputation by recruiting any clueless idiot who managed to get themselves into one. They'll get theirs. Winter is coming.

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Messoroz
AQUILA INC
#86 - 2011-10-03 17:13:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Messoroz
Pestilent Industries wrote:
I am going to have to come out and say that in this thread I see a lot of bitter newbies who are jealous of older rich experienced players who have invested the countless hours and immense amounts of ISK into purchasing and training for titans crying their eyes out over not having one themselves, and being very jealous of those who do.


Or they ran a bots for a few hours in null
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#87 - 2011-10-03 17:20:26 UTC
A step in the right direction.
Avon
#88 - 2011-10-03 17:21:42 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Titans were not made to be a subcap killer. CCP is correcting that mistake.



Actually, they were - I'm not saying that is the right role for them now, but it really was their intended role when introduced - killing blobs of subcaps.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#89 - 2011-10-03 17:26:12 UTC
Avon wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Titans were not made to be a subcap killer. CCP is correcting that mistake.



Actually, they were - I'm not saying that is the right role for them now, but it really was their intended role when introduced - killing blobs of subcaps.

Haha you're dumb.

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Avon
#90 - 2011-10-03 17:29:55 UTC
Ladie Scarlet wrote:
Avon wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Titans were not made to be a subcap killer. CCP is correcting that mistake.



Actually, they were - I'm not saying that is the right role for them now, but it really was their intended role when introduced - killing blobs of subcaps.

Haha you're dumb.

...and yet I manage to be right.

Unless you have any evidence to counter my point?

No, thought not.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#91 - 2011-10-03 17:33:53 UTC
You are still dumb and in an alliance with a DOT.

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Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#92 - 2011-10-03 17:35:11 UTC
Titans were made to be a subcap killer. CCP are correcting that mistake.

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Avon
#93 - 2011-10-03 17:35:18 UTC
Ladie Scarlet wrote:
You are still dumb and in an alliance with a DOT.


I bow down to your skills, oh master debater.
Rhaegor Stormborn
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#94 - 2011-10-03 17:41:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Ladie Scarlet wrote:
Avon wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Titans were not made to be a subcap killer. CCP is correcting that mistake.



Actually, they were - I'm not saying that is the right role for them now, but it really was their intended role when introduced - killing blobs of subcaps.

Haha you're dumb.


Not sure if you played back then, and are just ignorant or what, but Titans used to have an AoE which killed hundreds of subcaps all at once. They currently have a focused single target DD which kills one ship every 10 minutes. That seems pretty nerfed to me already. But I guess the cry baby nooblets must get their way.

And just to be clear, you will still get owned because you are terrible. We don't win because we have titans or SCs, we win because we are better than you. That is why we have titans and SCs in the first place.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#95 - 2011-10-03 18:08:48 UTC
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:
And just to be clear, you will still get owned because you are terrible. We don't win because we have titans or SCs, we win because we are better than you.

Haha you're dumber than the RaidenDOT guy.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2011-10-03 18:32:04 UTC
Ladie Scarlet wrote:
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:
And just to be clear, you will still get owned because you are terrible. We don't win because we have titans or SCs, we win because we are better than you.

Haha you're dumber than the RaidenDOT guy.


You are dumb for being in Goonswarm Federation. Even dumber for being in GoonWaffe. Even dumber still for being Ladie Scarlet.

Either way you lose.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#97 - 2011-10-03 19:07:15 UTC
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:

And just to be clear, you will still get owned because you are terrible. .


Maybe, but at least he doesn't have Needa3 in alliance chat.

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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2011-10-03 19:16:54 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:

And just to be clear, you will still get owned because you are terrible. .


Maybe, but at least he doesn't have Needa3 in alliance chat.



I was not speaking to the Goon specifically, but rather all the crying babies hating in this thread that wish they were capable enough to have earned themself a super themselves.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#99 - 2011-10-03 19:24:40 UTC
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:
I was not speaking to the Goon specifically, but rather all the crying babies hating in this thread that wish they were capable enough to have earned themself a super themselves.


Boy I sure wish I was capable enough to have blown a massive pile of ISK on a giant spacedick that's about to get nerfed.

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Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#100 - 2011-10-03 19:26:22 UTC
Avon wrote:
Ladie Scarlet wrote:
Avon wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Titans were not made to be a subcap killer. CCP is correcting that mistake.



Actually, they were - I'm not saying that is the right role for them now, but it really was their intended role when introduced - killing blobs of subcaps.

Haha you're dumb.

...and yet I manage to be right.

Unless you have any evidence to counter my point?

No, thought not.


Titans were originally made to be a deterrent to blobbing by giving them a powerful AoE weapon. It was later realised that this was not fun (for anyone other than the titan pilot) as it often killed fleet fights before they started by wiping out a whole fleet. It was also realised to be a node killing lag monster. Finally it was admitted that it did not really deter players from blobbing.

So in Dominion super capitals were re-designed as Capital ship killers - in the case of Titans the AoE effect was replaced with a one-shot death ray which can pop a dreadnaught in one shot (depending on fit). They also IIRC gained the current damage bonus to XL guns in Dominion. Unfortunately that same deathray can be used to kill any other ship class other than another super capital. They also have XL guns that don't suffer from a dreads siege mode tracking penalty.

Titans are not meant to be good at anti-sub capital warfare, they are meant to be good at capital ship killing. The fact that they still can kill sub caps so easily is a design flaw. Like supercarriers, Dominion gave Titans more flexibility than they should really have for their raw power.

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