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Miners Unite to Fight the New Order!

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Jimmy 426
Doomheim
#61 - 2012-10-28 04:45:33 UTC
I too have taken arms against the cowardly bumper cronies and their false prophet.

Down with James 315!
Down with mining permits!

Let the miners mine and the gankers gank!

Free the ore!!!! Free the ore!!!!

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#62 - 2012-10-28 04:45:33 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Ersahi Kir wrote:
I'm glad I stopped trying to convince my friends to play. If I had to defend miner bumping as a sandbox activity I would be embarrassed.

Carry on though if that's your bag.

How is it any different from bumping people on the undock or bumping people to prevent them warping? same mechanic, same result.

Those should all be nerfed as well.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Blake Gates Heleneto
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#63 - 2012-10-28 04:50:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Blake Gates Heleneto
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
As a member of the belligerently undesirable group that the OP is complaining about, if a bunch of miners can actually team up to provide some meaningful content, instead of hammering away at chunks of ice all day, then more power to them.

That would mean that some of the aims of the New Order have been accomplished, we will have forced you to be aware that Eve is a social game where both actions and inactions have consequences. Currently some Ice miners are guilty of inaction, the consequences are that they get bumped, the inaction in this case is twofold, one is failure to purchase a permit, the other is a failure to actually play the game instead of plugging away at inexhaustible resources.



What gives you the right to think you can force upon your own dumbass "idea" of how this great game of Eve should be played? Mining is a very viable career choice for many players. If that's how THEY want to play, who are you to say they aren't "actually playing the game"? Your one-sided, flawed logic is almost laughable. Except I feel sorry for you Sad
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#64 - 2012-10-28 04:54:14 UTC
My dear miners,

Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL!

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Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2012-10-28 04:58:53 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Ersahi Kir wrote:
I'm glad I stopped trying to convince my friends to play. If I had to defend miner bumping as a sandbox activity I would be embarrassed.

Carry on though if that's your bag.


How is it any different from bumping people on the undock or bumping people to prevent them warping? same mechanic, same result.



Bumping someone off a station has strategic value if they're playing docking games, and bumping to prevent warp falls under the same umbrella. Bumping in those situations actually sounds like a neat tool in PvP.

Miner bumping at its core is just harassment, and if I had to defend it as an activity it would be "Eve is neat because people can be obnoxious and it's A-OK!" Or, to put it another way, take that Eve is Real video and replace large scale PvP fights with people bumping miners. Would you really want to show that to your friends when you tell them how cool the game is? I sure as hell wouldn't.

And just a FYI, I gave up mining a long time ago and am not really affected by this either way.

"I was there. We went to this ice field and there were miners mining ice, and we weren't going to let that happen. Not without bumping. And then 5 new miners warped into the field. But the fleet commander, he kept it together. They were expecting me to fly 50 clicks at max speed in the general direction of the miners. I didn't know if I was gonna make it. And then I bounced off the miner, because collisions don't occur in eve. And then I ran to the forums to tell everyone. I was there."
MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
#66 - 2012-10-28 05:02:11 UTC
Make ice and roids destructible so they can be obliterated by guns. Bumping problem solved!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#67 - 2012-10-28 05:02:45 UTC
Ersahi Kir wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Ersahi Kir wrote:
I'm glad I stopped trying to convince my friends to play. If I had to defend miner bumping as a sandbox activity I would be embarrassed.

Carry on though if that's your bag.


How is it any different from bumping people on the undock or bumping people to prevent them warping? same mechanic, same result.



Bumping someone off a station has strategic value if they're playing docking games, and bumping to prevent warp falls under the same umbrella. Bumping in those situations actually sounds like a neat tool in PvP.

Miner bumping at its core is just harassment, and if I had to defend it as an activity it would be "Eve is neat because people can be obnoxious and it's A-OK!" Or, to put it another way, take that Eve is Real video and replace large scale PvP fights with people bumping miners. Would you really want to show that to your friends when you tell them how cool the game is? I sure as hell wouldn't.

And just a FYI, I gave up mining a long time ago and am not really affected by this either way.

"I was there. We went to this ice field and there were miners mining ice, and we weren't going to let that happen. Not without bumping. And then 5 new miners warped into the field. But the fleet commander, he kept it together. They were expecting me to fly 50 clicks at max speed in the general direction of the miners. I didn't know if I was gonna make it. And then I bounced off the miner, because collisions don't occur in eve. And then I ran to the forums to tell everyone. I was there."

"I was there. We went to this ice field and there were miners mining ice, and we wanted to mine ice as well. Not without bing able to AFK in peace and safety. And then 5 new miners warped into the field. But the fleet commander, he kept it together. They knew ice never runs out, so we kept on mining. I didn't know if I was gonna make it. Then the Orca arrived, it helped us with its bonuses. And then I ran to the forums to tell everyone. I was there."

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#68 - 2012-10-28 05:03:28 UTC
MinefieldS wrote:
Make ice and roids destructible so they can be obliterated by guns. Bumping problem solved!

Activating an aggressive module?

CONCORD has something to say about that.


P.S. You used to get CONCORDed for shooting rocks with non-mining things, I think.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#69 - 2012-10-28 05:03:30 UTC
MinefieldS wrote:
Make ice and roids destructible so they can be obliterated by guns. Bumping problem solved!


Wouldn't work, we would be doing the work of miners and miners would just pick up the chunks.

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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2012-10-28 05:04:48 UTC
How is it that miners always have such ****** representation on the forums?

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2012-10-28 05:05:29 UTC
MinefieldS wrote:
Make ice and roids destructible so they can be obliterated by guns. Bumping problem solved!


That actually made me laugh out loud, very nice. I guess that would move all the tears over to the null/low sec people who complain about afk cloakers.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#72 - 2012-10-28 05:05:59 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
How is it that miners always have such ****** representation on the forums?


Botfleet owners competing against each other and now they have players that seek their blood?

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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2012-10-28 05:06:43 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
"I was there. We went to this ice field and there were miners mining ice, and we wanted to mine ice as well. Not without bing able to AFK in peace and safety. And then 5 new miners warped into the field. But the fleet commander, he kept it together. They knew ice never runs out, so we kept on mining. I didn't know if I was gonna make it. Then the Orca arrived, it helped us with its bonuses. And then I ran to the forums to tell everyone. I was there."

The most epic tale ever told.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#74 - 2012-10-28 05:12:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Blake Gates Heleneto wrote:

What gives you the right to think you can force upon your own dumbass "idea" of how this great game of Eve should be played? Mining is a very viable career choice for many players. If that's how THEY want to play, who are you to say they aren't "actually playing the game"? Your one-sided, flawed logic is almost laughable. Except I feel sorry for you Sad


You're right, mining is a viable career choice and many a noob starts off by chewing rocks. However your argument could as equally be applied to suicide gankers, hisec PvP corps and all the other facets of Eve that require people to actually organise themselves, what right do they have to force the way they play the game onto others?, simple it's a sandbox everybody has the ability to affect other players, I choose to do it by annoying miners.

NB I am a miner, amongst other things, I see bumping other miners as a strategy to make my mining efforts more productive and valuable. I can't be arsed to 0.1isk my competition when I sell minerals as it's boring, removing their ability to put as much of their product on the market via bumping is far more satisfying and entertaining. I even use my mining alt to do my bumping.

If there was another way to increase my market share I would use it, I would love to see proper full scale advertising and branding as a player tool, unfortunately that's not going to happen anytime soon so I use the tools and mechanics available to me to achieve my aims.

Touval Lysander wrote:
Ersahi Kir wrote:
I'm glad I stopped trying to convince my friends to play. If I had to defend miner bumping as a sandbox activity I would be embarrassed.

Carry on though if that's your bag.

Bit like 2 fairies bumping each other in WOW, wearing Sumo wrestler suits.



Mental image = LOL P

Edit: In case anyone has been blinded by the fact that I am a belligerently undesirable bumper, I am totally prepared to congratulate any miners that do manage to team up and organise some kind of successful counter operation that provides new and interesting player driven content to the game without resorting to just paying ISK to someone to wardec us (not new, not interesting, although we could probably get some fun out of it because it'll be damn expensive to wardec some of the bumpers home corps, miners are welcome to do so of course, just don't expect any congratulations for it), as things stand however I'm going to be holding on to those congratulations for a while yet.

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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#75 - 2012-10-28 05:26:42 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:


So yup, let's jump straight to it and have anyone who bumps a barge get concorded already.


CCP looks at the amount of money they make off the vast majority that PvE and makes it so...

At some point the vocal minority has to realize where all the sand in the sandbox is coming from.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#76 - 2012-10-28 05:34:13 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
So yup, let's jump straight to it and have anyone who bumps a barge get concorded already.

CCP looks at the amount of money they make off the vast majority that PvE and makes it so...

At some point the vocal minority has to realize where all the sand in the sandbox is coming from.

Yes. The good ol' Trammel model.

We see CCP rollin', we hatin'

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#77 - 2012-10-28 07:15:36 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Ludi Burek wrote:

Counter 1 = Orbit the damn roid as close as possible.

Doesn't work.

Ludi Burek wrote:

Counter 2 = Probe gravimetric site and mine away.

Heard a rumour bumpers can also scan. back to 1 maybe?

Ludi Burek wrote:

Counter 3 = Go to a less ******** system. You don't "have to" mine with the rest of the herd you know. Roll

THAT is the smart one - as long as you're not constantly followed.

Then it MIGHT be deemed griefing.... Blink




1. Sure it does. He can't bump you away from the roid, only into the roid and you may travel a handful of kms away. Unless the said roid is stupid tiny.

2. Why probe when there are plenty low hanging fruits? Lol

3. Well THEN the miner may have a case.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#78 - 2012-10-28 08:28:56 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:

Miners cry about not being able to kill the people who steal from them by themselves and they need everyone else in space to help them to "Make it fair". CCP says okay and we get crimewatch 2.0.



This hasn't been implemented yet.... we'll see how much gankers tears once again water it down like dog poling was watered down after Goons saw themselves being perma decc'd in HI sec
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#79 - 2012-10-28 08:43:17 UTC
There is a very easy way to beat James315. Move to another system.

How can people be so dumb and get so frustrated when the answer is so simple?

Oh god.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#80 - 2012-10-28 08:53:14 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
There is a very easy way to beat James315. Move to another system.

How can people be so dumb and get so frustrated when the answer is so simple?


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