EVE General Discussion

Yes. If it blows up to Hulkageddon proportions, which sentiment analysis suggests, then nipping it in the proverbial bud would be nice to prevent future threadnaughts or miner whines and make room for, I don't know, good threads?


Or not. They should not have to pay you to play. They pay CCP. As I tell all miners, never pay an extortionist from the bumper group. That's not a mechanic, it's a scam.



Why do you assume they find mining boring if they do it? Why can't people exist that enjoy mining? Apparently this is a hard concept to grasp...on another note a wall of freighters/jump freighters would be amazing to see. Blocking the Jita stargate like that? Now that'd be interesting.

So to summarise, there are mechanics that allow you to mitigate the issue, but there are trade-offs - they're not 100% effective, you have to move, whatever.

Sounds perfect to me.

If you had a counter which was 100% effective every single time and which did not require you to make a choice as to whether you are willing to make some kind of trade off (a la the less yield for more tank choice that disgusting miner filth refused to ever make) then it becomes by definition stupidly unbalanced.

Orbiting and webs do work.

You really have to answer why it is that battleships and carriers can manage to counter bumping while miners in a cruiser sized ship cannot manage it.

They don't have to pay the New Order, but they do have to live with the consequences of the choices they make. If you do not follow the New Order you must face the consequences.

They'll laugh and bump you again.

There are effective counters to bumping, simply orbiting in a mackinaw or retriever is not one of them, if however you are orbiting in an AB skiff you are extremely hard to bump, won't stop us trying but 90% of the time we fail.

Those miners who fail to adapt are destined to be bumped, those who do adapt will not be bumped as often because we go for the low hanging can't be arsed miners first.

The argument that miners are the ones who produce the minerals for industry while a valid one is also a pointless one, there are many more pilots that can fly mining vessels than pilots who actually do. If the "I wanna mine all day and not be bumped" miners all quit mining it would indeed cause a price rise and shortage in ships and modules, then we would see some of the pilots who can fly mining ships, but don't because it's a poor return on time, come out of the woodwork and start mining again because it is economically viable to do so and it is in their interests to do so to produce ships.

Some of the miners that have purchased mining permits merely see it as a business cost not extortion, they have done the math and figure a 10 million isk permit is a worthwhile investment to be allowed to mine in peace and have a greater market share than those who don't have a permit. We like these guys, they accept that people can interrupt their game play and have taken steps to minimize interference, in short they have adapted and are in a better position than those who have not.

I don't like them having their profits cut into by asshattery, but you're right on this point.



Do you have evidence for this? Why would they give up their original income source for mining? Why would mining suddenly be more profitable than say L4's or L5's, market games or pure industry? You need to come up with some facts before stating these assumptions.


To me it's not about the money, it's the action. I don't like the idea of people kotowing to extortionists. 300 comes to mind, when Xerxes demanded a jar of water and dirt from the Spartans. It cost really nothing, but the action and symbolism behind it was down right insulting to the Spartans.


If they want to pay, it's their choice sure. But for those who do not and who would rather resist you well...I have far more respect for them.



My definition of stupidly unbalanced is cutting ANY stat by 50% just because I don't like a certain group.

As for following the new order...eh, I'll pass. Enjoy the megalomania though!

Except you're not really resisting the Order, you're just begging CCP to introduce mechanics that would artificially protect you. If you actually resist, without whining to mommy and daddy devs to simply fix it for you, that'd be admirable. However you would still lose, as the New Order is invincible.

THIS IS PETITIOOON!

"Dear god, Leonidas here, Persians are unfairly trying to force me to play the way they want. Please add some kind of anti-persian animal to real life so I can live in peace"