EVE General Discussion

You know this is why hi-sec miners get so much hate. You say you want the prices to drop to 5 isk, yet you aren't willing to organise an initiative to make that happen. Instead you come here whining to CCP to flood the market instead.

Don't talk to me about Apple products, please. If you think I'm wrong, offer a relevant counter to my complaint.

Let me summarise your complaint in simple terms.
1. I want the price of Tritanium to drop to 5 ISK per unit.
2. I don't want to put in the hard work and effort to realise my vision.
3. I'll declare it is CCP's duty to flood the market so I can get what I want.

This is the way of high-sec miners.

See how this differs from the miner bumpers? The miner bumpers have some agenda or vision, and they have put in the hard work and effort so they can create the changes they yearn for themselves. They haven't come here and begged CCP to change mechanics to suit what they want... Perhaps some of them have. The point is, they are doing something because they can, for whatever reason that might be.

Which of these seems more honourable to you?

My point is that the players have the tools they need to make ideas like these happen. A lot of players do make things like this happen because they take the initiative to make them happen.

I wasn't making a big deal about the 5 ISK thing, I was making a big deal about players who would see the quality of the game reduced because they are too lazy to figure things out for themselves. This is the reason high-sec miners are targeted, because they tend to be the most vocal in cases where these demands are made.

He has no idea that throwing money around does not change anything regarding the miners, or most others.
Arguing does not help or make him understand this fact.

Most people who believe that making something more profitable still haven't
realized that CCP already tried throwing money at issues, but it didn't help.

Buffing rewards in lowsec/nullsec, or nerfing rewards in highsec, doesn't change motivation for most.
Never has, never will be.

People still see the chance of losing things, which is higher than the chance of getting the rewards without dieing.

Greed works both ways. As long as things can be lost,
the greed to keep them is higher than the greed to get even more.


(edit: crap, seems i have mixed two totally different posts up ? my bad then. ^_^)

right, do you eve understand the concept of DEMAND and SUPPLY? Because you want miners ( supplier ) to take it to their own hands and drop the prices, because you ( demand ) want it, It will be your gain and suppliers loss. How ******** that is?

there is now huge DEMAND for X item, so SUPPLIER supplies X item at Y price. You want SUPPLIER to drop price on Y item, because it will be more profitable and better for PERSON who needs Suppliers item? there are few ways of doing it:

1. More suppliers will make suppliers compete between each other and droping the price.
2. Those who need that supply refuse buying it at set price and demand better deal. So suppliers if want to make money, will have to adopt to new rules.


Yours idea of fixing the market is: SUPPLIER HAS TO DROP PRICE AND TAKE FINANCIAL LOSS, BECAUSE THATS HOW IT IS. AND **** YOU.

Problem now is that the way minerals and items are in market, players cant do feck all to make rare ore be more valuable per m3. Its a flaw. you ever heard about "controllers" of markets. When market goes **** up, government goes in and sorts **** out (at least tries ). CPP, needs partial involvement in that, but i will agree with you on one thing too, that has to have players influence too, but not a supplier, which by your idea has to shoot himself in a foot, just because of a good faith deal.


If you wont understand that simple ABC in market universe, then i just give up on you.

I don't want it, you want it.


Who says I'm trying to fix the market? I don't give a crap about the market. Dropping the prices was your idea and if that's what you need to do to achieve your goal, so be it.


They can gank miners. Of course with all their crying to CCP, that has become more difficult now but still possible.


I'm not touching on the subject real life economy and government intervention because that just leads to conspiracy theorists derailing the thread completely.


On this point I will request that you offer an explanation as to why they need to be involved in this. I'd also like to know what you think they should do to fix these perceived issues.

Okay.

Dear op how to not let bumping get to you.

1. Do not mine close to a hub, the children will have to hunt for you.
2. Setup at least 8 mining operations, 2 for each hub both at least 8 jumps form a hub.
3. If you get bumped go to another area.
4. Never pay them an ISK, James is scammer, which means he is dishonest. Never trust a scammer, so do not pay him, or anyone. Not like they can force you.


I do not see how crying about James and his band of merry children will help you. James has many alts, he loves attention, so stop bringing it to him.

Dear OP on how not to let bumping get to you;

• Pay James 315 or any Agent of the New Order the mining fee. For an extremely reasonable 10,000,000 ISK, you can purchase a permit that will last for an entire year. That's less than a million a month, or a couple of thousand a day. You could make twice that by just making a new character every day for a year. By ice mining, you should be able to make enough to pay your fee in less than a day.

You can find an Agent to pay your fee to in Tolle or one of the surrounding ice systems. Failing that, you can send 10,000,000 ISK directly to me or to James 315. Any of these routes will ensure un-bumped mining for an entire year - something that nobody else's suggestion can guarantee.