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Goodbye eve - Wardec systems is broke still
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Solj RichPopolous
F I G H T C L U B
H A R D L I N E R S
#81 - 2012-10-27 13:10:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Solj RichPopolous
What is this dec shield? I have been in mutual war with them for few months and cant find a single member other than 2 station hugging nubs who have logi. Deal with the logi and they disappear and i go back to stomping uni blobs. Going to dec rvb again here soon as well. I need 1000s of approach f1 mwd idiots to be happy.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#82 - 2012-10-27 13:15:53 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
From what I read, you seem to indicate the current wardec isn't broken, including when the agressor drags the defender into a wardec with decshield (anytime you make a war mutual, you risk yourself being dragged in decshield) In short, mutual wardeccing is best avoided as defender, wich deefats the purpose of mutual wardecs.
No, it just means that making yourself an aggressor and willingly involving yourself in a war is risky business, for both sides. It doesn't defeat the purpose of either — it just means you should think twice before doing it.

Tetsuigablm wrote:
That makes no sense though lol, i mean seriously think about it, previously there was no reason to stop a war dec, now the cost alone is prohibitive to do so, why do that, then turn around and make them free.......
…and that is no different from how it was before. Wars came at a cost for the aggressor, only using a different formula, and there was a way to make them free and last forever. The change in pricing just reduced the incentive to be an aggressor, and there is still a way to make them free and last forever.
Rollin Forties
School of Applied Street Knowledge
#83 - 2012-10-27 13:52:02 UTC
Wait, so it's ok for the OPs' 20 man corp to dec a 5 man corp, but when the OPs' 20 man corp is outnumbered it's suddenly unfair?
Solj RichPopolous
F I G H T C L U B
H A R D L I N E R S
#84 - 2012-10-27 13:58:15 UTC
Rollin Forties wrote:
Wait, so it's ok for the OPs' 20 man corp to dec a 5 man corp, but when the OPs' 20 man corp is outnumbered it's suddenly unfair?


Maybe he decced them for legit reasons. Like competeing for asteroids in a system. I've seen it happen. Dec shield takes away war for small groups that may be using it for a purpose.
Rollin Forties
School of Applied Street Knowledge
#85 - 2012-10-27 14:06:24 UTC
He dec'd the small corp for a purpose, small corp turns the tables with an entity created for that purpose. Sounds all good to me.
Dyvim Slorm
Coven of the Morrigan
#86 - 2012-10-27 14:08:24 UTC
I suppose at present then the best solution if you want to mitigate the Decshield risk is to start an alt corp and use that to wardec, if it goes mutual dump the alt corp and start another, then redec the target again.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#87 - 2012-10-27 14:11:06 UTC
Solj RichPopolous wrote:
Rollin Forties wrote:
Wait, so it's ok for the OPs' 20 man corp to dec a 5 man corp, but when the OPs' 20 man corp is outnumbered it's suddenly unfair?


Maybe he decced them for legit reasons. Like competeing for asteroids in a system. I've seen it happen. Dec shield takes away war for small groups that may be using it for a purpose.

Be sure to tell CCP you love their highsec pvp mechanics.

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Sibe Nosha
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#88 - 2012-10-27 16:30:15 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Schalac wrote:
It's funny because when this happened to the goons and half of new eden was dogpiling onto a free wardec with them, it was a glitch and immediately patched out of the game.

Apples are exactly like oranges, especially in winter.
Bad example… P


And suddenly the thread actually had a purpose.

(Nice link, thx.)
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#89 - 2012-10-27 16:50:12 UTC
Personnaly I think wars should be changed to 1 week affairs.
After 1 week the war ends.
24hrs later you can start another.
Surrender is available at any time, and halts the war in 24 hrs/dt.
As pointed out decshields unconditional acceptance means that if I have a reason (legitimacy doesn't get factored as reasons can be subjective) I am now stuck with a war larger than desired.
This means I either dont do the war, or I do and then have to kill corp or something.
An alternate idea might be to require both sides to have a mutual war.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#90 - 2012-10-27 16:55:57 UTC
Doomheim incoming.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#91 - 2012-10-27 16:57:21 UTC
If you think wardecs are EVE's full depth and breadth, then I truly feel sorry for you.

Pretty much zero movers and shakers give a rat's ass about wardecs.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#92 - 2012-10-27 17:26:36 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
Personnaly I think wars should be changed to 1 week affairs.
After 1 week the war ends.
24hrs later you can start another.
Surrender is available at any time, and halts the war in 24 hrs/dt.
As pointed out decshields unconditional acceptance means that if I have a reason (legitimacy doesn't get factored as reasons can be subjective) I am now stuck with a war larger than desired.
This means I either dont do the war, or I do and then have to kill corp or something.
An alternate idea might be to require both sides to have a mutual war.


The only real problem is, that once mutuality is established(although it currently isn't actually mutual as you noted) only one side can change the war status. The initial aggressor is basicly considered the aggressor even though they're no longer aggressing and are actively trying to get out of the war. No matter what happens this has to change. Both sides need to be able to influence the mutuality of a war, so that if the other side wants to keep you in a war, they're the ones that need to become the aggressor and take on the consequenses of that role. Being temporarily in an unwanted conflict isn't a bad thing. It's the risk you take for going to war and forcing that temporarily on the aggressor should remain as an option for the defender.
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#93 - 2012-10-27 17:33:07 UTC
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