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Goodbye eve - Wardec systems is broke still
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lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#41 - 2012-10-27 11:36:28 UTC
Can I have your stuff?

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#42 - 2012-10-27 11:38:24 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
I believe the idea behind the wardec system is that the aggressor can expect their opponent to make the war mutual or bring in allies. I do not believe the situation in the OP is a designed-for or desired feature of the new wardec system.
Sure, it's meant to do that too, but there has always been the option of getting into an alliance and bring in more people that way. The ally system was mainly there to make it easier to do it on a temporary, case-by-case basis.

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Dec shield, by the way, is (from what I know) a half-troll/half-serious alliance that exploited the 'war shedding' loophole of the old system on a large scale in an attempt to bring the loophole to CCP's attention.
I had one of those alliances going… made a good amount of money from it too. Big smile

What they're doing has very little to do with what the OP is experiencing though. Their business idea is to provide a drive-through shop for picking up wardecs; the OP is simply experiencing a mechanic that's been around forever.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-10-27 11:39:27 UTC
Spoiler alert - EVE's high sec game mechanics are broken. More somewhere else.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Tetsuigablm
Channel Six News
#44 - 2012-10-27 11:47:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Tetsuigablm
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Violanter
Doomheim
#45 - 2012-10-27 11:54:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Violanter
My only bother with this is that the original entity can screw over the aggressor permanently for "little" hassle with no repercussions.
The fact that they can swap their dec to an alliance and then run is somewhat broken imo.
They took it to the alliance when they entered so they should keep it with them when they leave, ( not just some 1 week pittance)

Also OP be happy for all those WT's maybe you should undock and have some fun
Blake Gates Heleneto
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-10-27 11:58:42 UTC
Tetsuigablm wrote:
let me get this straight, so because the games war system is flawed, i should have to then re locate a pos, and all of its assets in order to end it.

Does that honestly make any sense? Making a new corp dosnt fix anything, its a way around the problem, what im asking isn't really all that difficult to comprehend, this was clearly not how it was supposed to be. i want it fixed, i honestly don't see how thats hard to understand.

The point is the war should end, like any other war, after a week. Don't make excuses for the devs here, there is no other way out, and paying someone to end the dec, well if it was working properly that wouldnt even be an issue would it. You are literally just making excuses for them, the system is flawed, end of story.


You literally have the most basic understanding of Eve Online I think I've ever seen from a character old enough to anchor a POS. This game is harsh and unforgiving. It's the nature of the game. There are scams, extortion and many other things going on throughout the galaxy that people don't like. This sandbox effect is the EXACT way that CCP intended.

This "problem" you are experiencing has been around forever. Don't you think if it was "truly" broken, or an "exploit of game mechanics" as you call it, would have been fixed by now? Like so many other things that truly were broken or an exploit of game mechanics?

Come on, stop pissing and crying. You said 3 pages ago (maybe in the OP) that you were unsubbing and not playing Eve again. Please, do us all a favor.

OR STOP CRYING ON THE FORUMS. Your logic is flawed, end of story.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#47 - 2012-10-27 12:01:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Piugattuk
Listen, if that's what was really going on write to Dec Shield and have your friends who we're getting griefed write Dec Shield and plead your case as to why you should be set free, otherwise be careful what you ask for you may just get it.
500 man corp full of bloodlusting pilots sheesh...no PVP to be had people say.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2012-10-27 12:04:33 UTC
Soooo let me get this straight.

Your 20+ man corp decs a corp of less than 5.
They shed the wardec and you come crying because you can't handle 500 people,
who wouldn't even fight you all at once anyway.

*slaps your face*

You're an embarrassment !


Get the **** out !
The Chronophage
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-10-27 12:05:19 UTC
Tetsuigablm wrote:
let me get this straight, so because the games war system is flawed, i should have to then re locate a pos, and all of its assets in order to end it.


You're making this sound like moving a pos is such a big deal. Emergency pos moves happen in 0.0 all the time, and I could whine to CCP about it as well. HTFU. You probably arent even going to move the damn pos, you are just going to set it up again in the same place under a new corp.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#50 - 2012-10-27 12:08:15 UTC
Tetsuigablm wrote:
let me get this straight, so because the games war system is flawed, i should have to then re locate a pos, and all of its assets in order to end it.
No. You should have to relocate a POS and all corp assets because you entered into a wardec without being fully aware of the risks involved in doing so. You were careless, and this is now coming back to haunt you.

This makes very much sense from an EVE perspective.

Whether or not you feel that the consequences are out of proportion to your mistake is a different matter, but it's entirely in line with the spirit of the game.

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The point is the war should end, like any other war, after a week.
No, the point is that the war should end when the involved parties want it to end. Initially, this will be when the aggressor chooses not to extend it and/or accepts the surrender of the defender, but then we have this neat mutuality mechanic that lets the defender turn the tables and attempt to force the aggressor to give up first.

The point is also that there are a number of ways to get out of such a war, and by the sound of it, you've tried a total of zero of them.
Violanter
Doomheim
#51 - 2012-10-27 12:09:13 UTC
More war, not less is the way to go. Fighting is fun.
S'Way
State War Academy
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-10-27 12:09:21 UTC  |  Edited by: S'Way
Tetsuigablm wrote:
let me get this straight, so because the games war system is flawed, i should have to then re locate a pos, and all of its assets in order to end it..

I'm guessing you're a ceo or director in your corp as you said that you declared the war on the 3 man corp.
As a ceo or director it's your responsibility to know what the consequences of pushing buttons are. It's well known the war dec system has been like this for some time now.

Is the system flawed ? probably, but the error here was made by the OP in declaring a war without doing enough research into how the mechanics of such actions work.
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
#53 - 2012-10-27 12:11:31 UTC
Tetsuigablm wrote:
let me get this straight, so because the games war system is flawed, i should have to then re locate a pos, and all of its assets in order to end it..


You are required to move the POS not because the games war system is flawed, but because you are running away from a war.

You are not required to run away from the war, you obviously have an issue with dealing with a 500 man alliance.

This is not much different than if a 500 man alliance were to war dec you. The slight difference being that decshield probably isn't too interested in spending the time it takes to blow up your pos (provided its' a high sec pos, otherwise it's basically fair game for anyone to blow it up)
Tetsuigablm
Channel Six News
#54 - 2012-10-27 12:12:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tetsuigablm
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Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#55 - 2012-10-27 12:13:38 UTC


OP is sure posting a lot in this thread for someone who is quitting.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#56 - 2012-10-27 12:16:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Tetsuigablm wrote:
You have got to be kidding,i don't see how you can rationalize something like this, But fine, its your sandbox, as you put it, far be it for me to point something out that doesn't work.
The problem is that you haven't really pointed out anything that doesn't work. You've pointed out a number of things that seem to work largely as intended.

Again, the flaw that Dec Shield is trying to exploit isn't even something you've brought up!

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This isn't isn't something like a jita scam contract, or espionage, those all make sense, and you have forewarning before clicking that scam contract, by reading the contract carefully. how was i supposed to know something like this was coming ?
By knowing the wardec mechanics and understanding the risks involved. You might have been tripped up by what people have built using those mechanics — that's where the whole sandbox thing comes in — but again, you're not actually doing that but rather point to a mechanic that's been around for ages.

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I am required to run away from it, because it wont end in 7 days like a war normally would,
His point is that you're not in any way required to run away — it's something you choose to do because you no longer want to deal with the situation you've found yourself in.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-10-27 12:17:01 UTC
Tetsuigablm wrote:
You have got to be kidding,i don't see how you can rationalize something like this, But fine, its your sandbox, as you put it, far be it for me to point something out that doesn't work. This isn't isn't something like a jita scam contract, or espionage, those all make sense, and you have forewarning before clicking that scam contract, by reading the contract carefully. how was i supposed to know something like this was coming ?

I apologize for not "knowing the mechanics" as you put it, but something like THIS, a PERMA FREE war, against people i never knew were even THERE, Is not "sandbox" its poor game design sorry. there was no way to know this was even POSSIBLE. why bother with a pay to dec system, if a war can be run for free indefinatly, that makes NO sense. But enough, defend the system, you will continue to do so anyway.

Ill grant your request in and leave eve, after playing on and off for 3 years, just remember why this game is so niche, you make it that way.

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You are not required to run away from the war, you obviously have an issue with dealing with a 500 man alliance.


I am required to run away from it, because it wont end in 7 days like a war normally would,


Whiny little ***** !
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#58 - 2012-10-27 12:17:21 UTC
It's funny because when this happened to the goons and half of new eden was dogpiling onto a free wardec with them, it was a glitch and immediately patched out of the game.

SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN!! http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schalac
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2012-10-27 12:18:55 UTC
Schalac wrote:
It's funny because when this happened to the goons and half of new eden was dogpiling onto a free wardec with them, it was a glitch and immediately patched out of the game.

Apples are exactly like oranges, especially in winter.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#60 - 2012-10-27 12:20:21 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Schalac wrote:
It's funny because when this happened to the goons and half of new eden was dogpiling onto a free wardec with them, it was a glitch and immediately patched out of the game.

Apples are exactly like oranges, especially in winter.
Bad example… P