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If you already have a BS there to tank the rats, why not fit it to be able to kill them instead? The extra money you make from doing this might be negligible, but at least you can continue mining. I don't see how this change would be anything but a minor inconvenience unless you're AFK or botting.

*chuckle* yeah, let me know how that works out for you. ;)

Imposibru! Who would have thought of that?!

Definitely try I think the Skiff; it should tank brilliantly. It's built for the purpose of being a hard-shelled miner in potentially hostile situations, which this very much is.

Also you can ask people to come in and kill rats, too. They'd appreciate any ISK gained from that, I imagine.

Nope ALLLL the rats insta swap to exhumers, tested it several times. Even with a bs plinking at the bs rats.

Quit Pissing and moaning, don't want to get killed then buy a damn tier one barge and tank it for the local rats, don't like that? Then go to highsec where you don't have to worry about anything but being bumped in your hulk.

I agree with the premise, nullsec mining is broken, it needs to be allot harder then it is, everything in nullsec needs to be, it's meant to be end game remember. and before you blather on about "pubbie scum not knowing what they're on about" or what ever the hell pours from your mouth, I've spent 2 years in Null, a year in wormhole and 2 years in low sec, I know what the hell I'm talking about.

Don't like that? Quit, seriously just god damned quit.
Play bloody StarWars or something, EvE is meant to be a game of vicious competition, your obviously not up for that.

Don't forget RR as a solution.

I know a number of really good null sec PVPers who have been playing this game in null and low sec for even longer than you have. Most of them have not the slightest clue how the indy side of EVE works. They do not even understand the logisitics involved in keeping a POS running. Or that someone need to put time and effort into maintaining and upgrading the jump bridge networks and ihubs that make sov war what it is. They do not know these mechanics because they do not care about anything that is not PVP. Your ignorance would seem to place you in this same category. It is the indy players in EVE that make your game play possible. Without them you would be flying noob ships with civilian guns on them.

Considering this entire game is supposed to be based on a risk vs reward balance. Null sec mining is currently only slightly more profitable than high sec mining. And even then only if you are cherry picking A,B,C, ores mostly Arkonor.

That being said, Null sec mining is currently fine as it is.

However with this new A.I. change rats will primary and it seems focus fire on mining ships while ignoring the ships there to protect the fleet. Since mining ships can not tank this amount of agro in deep null it is a problem.

Enlighten me please how null sec mining should be so much harder and dangerous than it is now? I would be fine with it being made so much more difficult if the reward was also scaled up to match the added difficulty and risk. However as it currently sits, on duality with the new A.I. changes, null sec mining is significantly higher risk than high sec mining just due to the rats and ship stats without even factoring in the PVP activity. While the reward is only marginally better.

If nothing is done to correct this it will eventually balance on its own. However it will result in null sec minerals spiking far worse than high sec minerals have done over the last year. This WILL happen as null sec miners will move to high sec as the risk vs reward of null sec mining will just not be worth it. The supply of these minerals will drop, and the prices will go up. Simple economics 101. This will result in even more inflation than we have already seen in the last year. If you are prepared for the prices of all your ships to double again or even triple, without your income being increased, than by all means support this game breaking change.

Spoken like a true pirate. In high sec mining ships can kill rats. in NULL sec they can not.

You can kill them with the ship that is there to defend the fleet, but they will last long enough to kill a mining ship if the defense ship can not pull agro. This is the problem with the new A.I. they will target the mining ships, and apparently focus fire. A spawn of 3 BS and 3 BC rats will pop the mining ships long before the defender can kill them. The rats will ignore the ships there to protect the mining ships and kill the mining ships.

Just killing the rats does not work as they can respawn in 10 minutes or less. If they can not be protected due to the new A.I. they will have to warp off for each spawn. You can not mine effectively if you need to warp off every 10 minutes. With the current system you leave the rats alive, pull all the argo to the defender ship and just sit there perma tanking the rats. As long as the spawn is there more will not spawn. They will ignore the mining ships and continually attack the defending ship. Miners can go for hours with the only threat being PVP.

With the new agro though this will not work as the rats will not agro the defending ship. They agro the mining ships and can switch targets every couple minutes. You now need to kill them and deal with constant respawns. If the mining ships have to warp off for every spawn then the isk/hr goes down the shitter. This just will not work as mining is way to low income for that amount of work.

Thankfully mining ships just got a MASSIVE boost to defense.

Nullbear miners need to quit asking for more boosts .. oh and remove Local thanks.