Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Now you're just rambling.

You totally failed to address that I pointed out your statement about not being able to make money hauling as being false. So I'll take that as admission that you don't actually know what you are talking about and are just pulling things out of your ass.

You are the one rambling. I would like to add that some people feel this thread sucks, some have said so at least. But lets see what they have contributed. What have you contributed?

Let me repeat myself by saying that i think freighters should have fitting slots, because by not having so they are in fact dumbed down

Now this is a reasonable argument. The fact that freighters do not have any customization available makes them different than EVERY ship in the game except shuttles.

(HINT: you should be leading with this one).

Here I agree. The problem is you can't give a freighter a low slot without seriously nerfing the current EHP (DCII does too much). A reasonable proposal would be to have rig slots on a freighter. There isn't *much* you can do there and I don't think it could unbalance the game.

I agree with fitting and think the most reasonable fitting option is to include rigs but no hi/medium/low slots.

I actually believe you are wrong in this sense. In order to make a good game as a whole, you need to pay attention to the individual playstyles and make each ever so interesting. Without the appeal of the individual playstyle there wouldnt even be a game as a whole. I think what you mean is what negative impacts could a faster freighter have on the game, and i have asked that question already. But no-one have answered

I think you're working backwards. You don't tailor the game to specific playstyles. EvE is a sandbox where the developers set up rules and mechanics for players to develop playstyles.

What you're trying to do is take a playstyle that you would LIKE to have and force it into the rules that don't support it. This doesn't mean that the rules need to change but that the intended playstyle needs to change.


Analogy: Let's say you watch football but want the game to be more exciting. You want more plays that have more than a single pass. An easy way to do this is to remove the rule that you can only throw a forward pass from behind the line of scrimmage.

This approach is wrong because you're trying to change the game to fit your vision. Just because you don't find single pass plays exciting doesn't mean other viewers don't as well.

I think freighters are good as they are fitting wise. But imho freighters could use some love in terms of EHP. I think they are currently too easy to gank in hisec. I saw killmail yesterday where freighter was ganked by 5 talos. A freighter with only 4bils worth stuff inside. I could fly freighter but i dont see reason to buy one just to get ganged in high sec with only few bils in cargo. I rather fly 2 mammoths with 2 chars.. I think gankers should bring atleast asmuch isk on field that freighter hull costs. So 15 talos would be needed to gank freighter instead of just 5.

HAHAHAH. I for one suggest people stop responding to this thread because this man is either A trolling as shown by this comment. Or he really doesnt believe anyone has told him why faster freighters is a bad Idea. Either way it shows this thread has moved beyond a debate (which it has never been) to him floundering in the dark.

He speaks of playstyles that he has never experienced (I for one have already stated I like flying freighters)

He makes no rational arguements only "I think" statements which anyone can have. Anyone can have an opposite "I think" statement which he doesnt seem to understand.

He doesnt seem to get his changes could frustrate the people that like things the way they are and without EVIDENCE it would be a change on a whim just cause he doesnt like it (without ever even having flown a freighter)

He makes no refutations of others arguements only saying they are missing the point or simply failing to read their arguement.

So lets just treat this like its been written by a trolling bot and let the thread die

'cause its not going to change his mind. or help him in any whay

I really see where you are coming from OP... but w/ regards to freighters I think a better solution would be to introduce "middle-of-the-road freighters. W/ regards to dedicated transporters, there's a pretty big gap between a heavy transport (~33k m3 fit) and a freighter (just shy of 1M m3). I think it would be cool if they introduced some mini-freighters with 70k to 150k m3 cargo holds and very limited fits. No highs, maybe 1 or 2 mids, and one or two lows. That would give you the lateral to emphasize hold size, speed, and tank a bit (and maybe fit a target lock breaker!) while at the same time not giving you all the benefits of a freighter in terms of cargo. If you want to haul the ultimate load, you gota be willing to pay the ultimate price, dude. That said, I agree there is definitely more room in the ship eco-system for more classes of haulers. Freighters are fine though, imho... and JF's could use a jump range nerf.

edit: I also wanted to say that I STRONGLY agree with your point about the price of freighters. I don't really care anymore since I can get as many as I need... but at about a year and a half to two years of eve, when I was thinking about getting my first freighter, it really sucked to be me. There's a place you get to when you play the game where you really need more hauling capacity, but you aren't really ready to buy a freighter yet. I remember that time for me well. The bottom line is that there is definitely a need in the game for a cheaper ship that haul a lot more than an iteron V yet cost less than a full freighter. I think a mini-freighter would fit in there well. 200-450mil target for price point. We would see a hell of a lot of them in the spacelanes if CCP did it imho.

also:

That's a really cool idea. /signed.